I mean, there's still going to be children born in this new world. You're gonna still eat. It isn't going to be just like hanging around on clouds. There's going to be work to be done. There's going to be cleaning up the Earth, first of all. And then the next thing is there's going to be creating new systems that are going to help out in creating a new world. And then the next thing is, yeah, we're gonna get to have our fun. We're going to create musical instruments. We're gonna dance. We're gonna sing. There's no more crummy jobs. All jobs will be from a place of our joy where what is it we wanna learn in this lifetime. You know, if you wanna play sniper games, guess what? There's another world for that.
Wayne: We'll all get to be 30 years old and at the peak of our beauty too?
Guest: That's right. That's right. It's a LOT better. Imagine if you were to take all your DNA and come out with the best one. It's gonna be like that. Whatever the good qualities of you, the best version of you. And I think personally I saw somebody that looks a lot like me, a little bit younger version of me, picking up the Earth, removing PVC metal from buildings -- looked just like me. I'm not saying it was me -- not THIS me. I mean, I probably die in this one. You know, I didn't see it, but I probably die in this one. But I saw a me in a world that gets better, where all of the buildings get totally taken down to the ground and all the metal and PVC all gets taken off planet.
Wayne: You don't remember how exactly that happened. I mean, was it a revolution or war? Did you see the transition?
Guest: I saw the Darkness, then I saw the Light completely covering the Earth. The Light finally goes through unshielded. The Demiurge, as you called him, just completely gives up. He says, "I lose -- GAME OVER. You won. No more people are coming here anymore." But the remnant -- there will be a remnant -- the remnant will
Wayne: So we all won't just go back to Heaven at that point? [Guest: No.] GAME OVER. Earth over... GO back to Heaven. We'll actually have a beautiful...
Guest: Well, people will start coming back whenever the Earth gets wiped out. And, you know, there's all kinds of horrible, awful people who want to kill, most the planet. And they're trying to bring this on. And all I can tell you is that their intentions even though they have two intentions. Their one intention is because the Earth needs to have the population reduced. But the other intention is nefarious -- killing people is not good but they have this dual, bipolar mentality that makes them think that what they're doing is good when in fact it is the polar opposite. If you're poisoning children so that there won't be as much children on the Earth, shame on you. I'm sorry, there's gotta be a better way to do it than poisoning them and killing them.
Wayne: Do you recall.... what comes to mind Prince Charles say he'd like to come back as a virus, to be reincarnated as virus. That's crazy.
Guest: Well, it's gonna happen with or without Prince Charles, okay. I saw it happen and I believe it will.
Wayne: We don't die though... we live.. there's no death, right?
Guest: From my perception of it is that we just are done. In other words, it's kind of like if you read the Jesus story, he just goes up into Heaven, right? But in this lighter version of us we'll have options to go back. In other words, your turn's over: let someone else go do it, but it's not like dying with a horrible... your heart quitting or your brain locking up or getting an aneurysm or a stroke. It won't be like that. It'll be: "Okay! Go home."
Wayne: This goes on for thousands of years?
Guest: Well, the way I saw it was not linear, but I did see it was a good, long period of time. It wasn't like a few weeks or months. It was thousands of years, yes. And it goes on for a good amount. But then at the very end...
Wayne: We're still learning lessons [Guest: Yeah, we're learning how to be a.. ] There isn't greed.
Guest: Nah. Well, first of all there's not going to be any... there WILL be, okay, but it will be real hard to get there because you won't have any mental health issues. You won't have chemical problems. You won't have addictions. Without chemical problems, addictions, dis-ease... if you don't have dis-ease. No reason to make money because you're not going to go hungry. The place I saw the weather's even temperatures...temperate is what they call it. Imagine Southern California without any bad days, no smog, but all over the world.
Wayne: This is the Plan A that we've been sold all along, right?
Guest: Right. And so we won't have any reason to have windows because there won't be any pollution to blow through there. I mean, you could work up some jealousy but it will be hard to do. You could say I'm jealous of this person... well, after they're done with the person they're with after 100 years, maybe y'all can hook up or whatever. But there's not going to be any sickness or mental health problems that cause it. If you get jealous, they're just gonna take you out. You're done and it's gonna be more transparent... the thoughts, it's kind of like in Heaven.
Wayne: You think at this point it IS telepathic?
Guest: Kind of like that, but it isn't completely telepathic in that if you don't want somebody to read your thoughts, they're not gonna read them. [Wayne: So you do have a firewall, some kind of privacy of thought. But if you commit a crime, they'll know, right? But what if you don't want them to know that thought? ] There's going to be those who DO, okay. [Wayne: so you pick up on the little nuance ] Right, And you get taken out, you know what I mean... but if you mess up during THAT time.... You've really... [Wayne: You NEED to be taken out. ] You NEED to be taken out. C'mon, you're not gonna die [Wayne: IT's a very, very small ] Yeah, yeah. I mean, most people.. first of all, you have to have proven yourself to get there. I've worked on these things I've been working on. Or I did it once and did it right, but the point is you're going to have proven yourself. And then you'll get to remember, you know what I mean? It won't be like THIS time where we forget everything each time we come. You'll remember your lessons.
Wayne: Yeah, that's one of the problems I have with... that's THE biggest problem I have with the reincarnational system is how can you grow and learn if you don't remember what you're being rewarded or punished for? You don't remember your past life, right? Now maybe in the spirit world you've got lessons and classes... but while we're HERE we don't remember.
Guest: Well, it's kind of spiritual muscle memory. I think that we gain some, but then depending upon what we do, right out of the box we start crying for our mom's tit and then we get jealous whenever she doesn't give it to us and so right off the bat we're already creating that separation. And then the mom gets tired of the child's crying and puts them out of the room, closes the door. There's so much that we think we can work our way through, but we're not living inside of that little baby. Honestly, I think it's too hard. It disgusts me, the wars that we're in. I know that my own country is bombing women, children that didn't mean us harm. In fact, they like us, some of them, that we're killing. Wow, you're just bombing somebody that was waiting for you to save them, and yet you're bombing them. How's that good?
Wayne: And if you would have been born on that side of the world, you could have been them.
Guest: Right. Here I was in that life I Was the German pilot killing the Americans and in the next life I'm the American and I'm responsible for helping to plan the wars that we're in today. And that's discouraging.
I know you're about ready to get to my favorite part of the story, probably yours too. You were about ready to tell me the end [Guest: yeah. ] It's a pretty amazing part.
Guest: There's the millennial plant, okay. It's a beautiful plant that after... think of a plant that's the Earth. After the millennia of the Earth that it's gone through, and I DID see this -- the Demiurge showed me. He said, "Look, I failed." He's showing me his failure. [Wayne: That's interesting that he already knows he failed] He showed me his failure. "I failed. The world became completely dark. People are running around in Chaos. There's a remnant of people who are being loving and kind anyway, who are laughing and joyful, anyway. There are these little points of Light in absolute Darkness. There's no electricity, but people will give off their Light, okay. So you think that's like I saw in Heaven. I saw orbs of Light, but that's going to happen on Earth. But then imagine that the Earth becomes completely filled with Light. And people are like that. They're like those little orbs and the Earth has completely done its course. Everyone has learned their lessons. They're finished. They figured out how to be the best musician, the best singer, the best piano maker, the best whatever-they-wanna-do, and they're finished. They've found their true love. [Wayne: We get enhanced DNA for this to occur... just dedicated hundreds of years of honing your craft or whatever] You DO hone your craft. However, you DO get a much better version of your DNA, because you're physically lighter and spiritually lighter so you're going to... you don't get a download of how to do it, but you DO have the natural ability to learn faster. But you become the master.
Wayne: You don't have to go to work for 40, 50, 60 hours a week.
Guest: Right. You don't have to just sit there and push paper work for 8 to 10 hours a day just so you can go home and sing for 30 min tues and then fall asleep in your pillow. But you get to work on whatever it is you wanna work on. If you're an artist, you work on that art, whatever that art is. And I think it's going to be a beautiful moment in Time.
Wayne: So what happens with these orbs of Light that you saw?
Guest: Okay, at the very end I saw the Earth go through all these phases and it goes through this brilliant Light phase. Light goes into the -- oh yeah, I wanted to mention this. Those ones that are going to try to hide out inside the Earth... man, that ain't happenin'... the Light's going inside the Earth. That's where they're going to be hiding... you know, those dark souls that are trying to manipulate and control the Earth. They're going to be hiding underground and they're thinking they're getting away.
Wayne: So there's no way to avoid this -- no safe spot ?
Guest: Nah, well it WILL. It will save them for a little bit longer. I mean, they'll be the last ones to get caught. But it might save them for a day or two, maybe a month, who knows, maybe two, maybe a year.
Wayne: You said we're going to go through a really dark period of time... should people like hoard all your food and stockpile weapons, or would you share with other people?
Guest: Whenever that time of Darkness comes, first of all, if you have food and you stored it, great, fantastic. If people are beating your door down wanting to kill you for it, by golly, you got to make a decision at that time. That's decision time, isn't it? And when you kill that person that's trying to get your food... ah, oh boy. What happens? Do you get to participate in the Light that's right on the other side of that? You know, or do you kill that person and... oops, you were shoved into a position where the whole universe is going to be watching during that time of Darkness. How are you going to act? And, for me, I'm willing to starve to death. I don't want to kill anybody.
Wayne: So it's a really critical juncture then?
Guest: It really is. I saw people fleeing around in Chaos. And I saw these certain core people of people that will be walking together, singing... they'll be joyful, they'll be laughing. There is nothing to laugh about . I mean, the world is in literal Chaos, but THEY'RE going to be the points of Light. If you see them, join them. And if you DON'T see them, become one so that others will join YOU. You know, I'm not going to kill anybody for a can of tuna. I'm not
gonna to do it. If I can hide it, I'm going to hide it., okay? So that I can feed my family.
Wayne: What kind of scenario... Are we talking Mad Max scenario?
Guest: Yeah, it'll be worse than Mad Max [Wayne: cannibalism..] Yeah, it will be total anarchy, total breakdown of civilization. People are going to running, fleeing, scared, frightened. And they're going to be doing things they ought not do, and especially to their fellow human being. The whole world's going to be in Chaos and what we do during that time is we can be humane or we can be inhumane, that's it. You got two choices. If you're humane, that doesn't mean you let people kill you. I'm not saying not to wrestle off the boogie man. I'm just saying you have to make that decision.
Wayne: Do you think at this point certain people will be protected by angels? Do you think there'll be a protection for certain people?
Guest: I think that we've got to be points of Light. I think that's our protection. I think that if you're in Costa Rica and you got enemies on every side and they don't attack you, why don't they attack you? Because you're the one person who isn't going to stab you in the back. I think you just got to be a point of Light and I know that there are lots of people storing up food and ammo and guns and preparing to kill all the hordes of hungry people. I mean, if there's 7 billion hungry people out there and you got the only can of tuna, I got a feeling you're going to lose that deal.
Wayne: The Demiurge saying he's lost and he's already lost, but if he's this master chess player doesn't he see check mate? Why wouldn't he give up NOW? Why would we have to go through all that terrible, terrible time period... ?? when it's all over does it make it more beautiful after we went through all that?
Guest: I think he's just admitting he failed and I think that people give into their lower impulses. Whenever it becomes dark we become frightened, fearful and lash out.
Wayne: At that point he DOES quit and that's when the Light comes?
Guest: After a certain period... some people say it's 3 days. Some people say it's 7 years. I don't know. I saw it as very brief. I'd LIKE to think it was 3 days, but, to hedge my bets I'd probably try to at least save 3 days worth of food. But even better, I think everybody ought to save a certain amount of food and water just so you don't have to go out and kill somebody else for their food... I mean, nothing wrong with that [saving food], but as far as storing up a bunch of guns and ammo so you can kill people, that ain't happenin' for me.
Wayne: What about at that point is it better to try and survive or do you think there's a real purpose for us to make it though to the other side so we can rebuild. Should we 'fight' through that period?
[NOTE: By 'fight', I meant 'gut it out and survive'. I don't even kill bugs. In fact, I don't believe in killing living animals and plants for food so I only eat fruit, nuts, bean, eggs, pasta, dairy, protein bars/drinks, etc.]
Guest: I'm not going to. I'm not saying there isn't. Some people that's what they're believing in. They're saving up their.. instead of buying diapers for their kids they're buying another bullet. Instead of buying shoes for their children, they're buying another gun.
Wayne: Somebody's going to have to rebuild after this is all over. Will we be able to reincarnate in again and be one of those vessels?
Guest: I think you gotta be Costa Rica... be that person... you as a person, be that person. And if you die, so be it. Maybe you get to come back. If you don't die, then maybe everybody will leave you alone because they think you're safe and as long as they got you at their back, they don't have someone else at their back. That's what I say.
Wayne: So what happens at the very end?
Guest: Oh, wow. You know, this is probably the longest interview I've ever gone through [Wayne: 3 hours ] but I think it's important to say what happens at the very end.
At the very end the whole Earth explodes and there's nothing that takes its place -- the camera stays there until the end of Time. So everybody who thinks the new world is right here. It ain't. The world that we're creating is the world that we're going to have and the one that we rebuild is going to be the one we have. so we ought to be trying to save it instead of hurting it. And there IS an end though. Whenever the world ends, there's a last day for this Earth and internally it just blows up. And the souls -- those orbs of Light I talked about, the ones that were Costa Rica, the ones that were brilliant, singing, joyful -- they go out, splinter out all over the universe and they're like star seeds. They seed the galaxies and the Universe with human beings who actually survived up to that point. They're complete souls. They're filled full of Light and they lived outstanding lives. The World blows up though and the thing is: People think that it's never going to end. Time ends... and it DOES end. And when it DOES end we're going to get to see our stories -- and our stories are important. And I think we ought to create a Love Story, that's what I think. Now that story that I told you, it sounded like War and Peace, but -- it was three hours long -- but I think that it needed to be told and I don't know if it gets told in one setting . But I did what I could for 3 hours. I saw a lot more than THAT.
Wayne: That's a BEAUTIFUL ending. That's like worthy of an Oscar. You talk about motion pictures. When we watch this back it's going to be... people are really going to be cheering for that. Anything else you wanna add? I guess we can start wrapping up.
Guest: Nope. Thank you very much for interviewing me. Thank you for letting me explore this OTHER side of the story that most people don't want to hear.
Wayne: Thank you.
Wayne: Wow, so there you go, folks. It's a pretty amazing experience that he's just related to us. I don't know, what do you think? He's agreed to do a follow up interview so... I didn't really get a chance to get to maybe SOME questions at the end because it had already taken 3 hours. But if you have any questions that you want me to ask him next time please send them to me [ firstname.lastname@example.org ] and let me know what you thought -- good or bad, indifferent, whatever. So thank you for listening and have a good one.