Wayne Bush - Project Camelot TV 2nd Interview -- NDE Stories: The Cosmic Divine Illusion of Life, Trick of the Light Tunnel Trap, Consciousness, How to Create Our Own Reality-- 6-23-2017

Wayne Bush - Project Camelot TV 2nd Interview -- NDE Stories: The Cosmic Divine Illusion of Life, Trick of the Light Tunnel Trap, Consciousness, How to Create Our Own Reality-- 6-23-2017

Wayne Bush - Project Camelot TV 2nd Interview -- NDE Stories: The Cosmic Divine Illusion of Life, Trick of the Light Tunnel Trap, Consciousness, How to Create Our Own Reality-- 6-23-2017

Let’s start with an Overview of your Website, Wayne.

Okay, for those who didn't hear the first interview. My
web site posits that life ultimately is a cosmic game or play, a divine drama that we dream
thus it is a simulation or illusory in nature. We have chosen to play a role or character in a
movie or play like a reality TV show -- the true man show.

The plot of this story or drama is very similar to that of many popular Hollywood movies. A
villain and its henchmen have imprisoned a planet and are feeding off its inhabitants who
need saving. The prison planet in this case is Earth, its inhabitants humans, and the villain is
an extraterrestrial or interdimensional entity who has most commonly been referred to as the
devil, Satan, who we will see is the lord of this Earth and most worship as God. To avoid
confusion with the true God I will refer to this false god as the Demiurge, a term Gnostics
used. They called his minions 'archons' which is a Greek term which means 'ruler'. This is
because we have given away our Sovereign power through consent and have allowed them to
rule over us. They have been able to do this by imprisoning our souls in the physical body and
keeping our consciousness at a superfically low level by bonding it to Earth. Any screenwriter
in Hollywood knows that every good story must have drama -- most notably, conflict. Part of
the climax of this story is getting mankind to wake up from this lower frequency of
consciousness or dream state in which we have fallen, and remember and claim our true

The topic of this interview is Near Death Experiences and I will note the commonalities, but
will try to focus on the anomalies or some of the more problematic experiences. Rather than
just spouting my opinions or stating things as fact I am going to try to include many first hand
quotes from actual near death experiences. I have identified around 50 interesting categories. I
will present a few quotes from each category but keep in mind there are typically at least two
or three dozen or more quotes for each category which all can be found on my website on the
page on the Light. Most of the quotes come from the fantastic website, NDERF.org...which is
the Near Death Experiences Research Foundation web site run by Jeff and Judy Long that
includes over 4000 near death experiences. I will note the exceptions when possible.

Marc : you’ll be quoting quite a few amazing Near Death Experiencer stories now, to back up this game of lies in our
divine dramatic life, which may be a dream, then ! Great, how exciting !
Is this material also relevant to the few human beings who don’t believe in reincarnation ?

Yes, I think I am going to touch on about 50 different categories having to do with NDEs. Reincarnaton is just one of the subjects although it is an important one since it would mean we keep returning to Earth. Even if someone doesn't believe that reincarnation exists the information I will be sharing is still important as it has to do with where the Spirit goes after death.

The Cosmic Game of Life or Divine Drama

I personally feel that we are eternal spirits and might get easily bored being able to manifest
whatever we like whenever we want so I have a feeling we created an environment where we
purposively limited ourselves as a challenge or game. I'd like to present a few quotes from
near death experiencers who came back with the distinct impression that life on earth is a
game or some form of entertainment.

David J said, "I asked him what the meaning of life is. He told me "for the entertainment of
the spirit realm."

"In reality I do remember the feeling that life was sort of like a game, maybe even a game I had
chosen a role to play in "-- Monty

"I was also reminded that the reason we leave the celestial realm atall was for the excitement,
variety, adventure, and entertainment that different incarnations offer... As one entity jokingly
remarked, 'If the eternal, divine part of us grows tired of singing and playing harps, there are
thousands of other universes created for our spiritual growth, amusement, and entertainment.
Eternity is a long time to do nothing but play harps.' "-- Duane S

And Nanci D said, "It is my understanding that what transpired during my NDE is the “real”
reality. Life as a human is more like a dream, role in a play, virtual reality game, character in
a drama, etc. "

"I am more interested now in the theories that what we experience as our universe is something
like a holographic projection, or something akin to a video game, or that we are souls
operating in this plane using atomic avatars. "-- SJ

"It appeared as a cosmic game board between two opposing entities" -- Zac S

"I'm more willing to let things go because I see them as part of the 'game' of life." -- Pamela K

"...I have that instant recognition that this life is a gift and that we are all actors in this giant,
universal, divine script." -- Kevin E

".... human beings do what they do because they are engrossed in their life and interactions
happen because they are playing out a script and you cross their paths and become a character
they need to complete a scene " -- Kathleen W

"It is our gift to experience, where we all play roles, and have the freedom to change the script
at any time. "-- Mike M

"I could see life as though it were a game I had been playing, and how all the moves were just
parts of the game." -- Brian T

Mira S: "I realized that the real goal of the mind created ‘life game’ in life, was to remove the
veil of delusion and ignorance and reach the Ultimate Truth of one's reality in life itself."

Marc : Some NDE Experiencers show supporting evidence that we live in a virtual fractal holographic game, some
sort of computer program, a « real » matrix?

Yes, that's right, and here are a few NDEs where this world was perceived to be a hologram or virtual reality simulation.

"My experience was of a realm more real than this. I now believe this is an illusion—a
simulation, a virtual reality. Sure it's as real as we think it is, right down to the constituents of
atoms and laws of physics. It's amazing. But the picture on our TV seems real, we just
understand how the pixels come to be there." -- Brian T

"Experience was definitely real It was like a computer program running in the background. "--
Jack C.

Arlene H: "We are not flesh and blood, but more like holograms. "

"I was connected to every body in a multi faceted light web, a DNA –like hologram, that was
in perfect order." -- Romy

"I could see a green grid made of light flowing under me. "-- James H

"I was traveling through planetary systems and solar systems, and things called universal grid
systems." -- Marie W

Stanley S: "We live in an illusion of this earthly life, inside our bodies - while our spirits, our
souls, are trapped within us. "

"Somehow, I began to move through some kind of brightly colored geometric figures that
served as a sort of matrix, yet I did not feel alone." -- Veronica A

"That everything is part of an essential game of life itself...That's why this "temporal human
illusory creation" exists as though it were a matrix within another matrix and this, within
another...multi-dimensionally until we wake up." -- Hafur

"I drifted through the field not in any particular spot and I observed how the particles were
organized in this matrix and in the matrix the particles were not touching each other, not a
single one was touching any of the other ones.
They emitted a light and the rays of light from one reached the rays of light from the other and
they entangled and those lines of energy kept the distance stabilized. "- Mary D

"at times it seemed to me as if the space was not all simply space as we understand it but had
some kind of matrix structure within it. " -- Peter N

"I was being shown this in my mind; the universe in a multi-dimensional grid...but not exactly.
...I saw various planes crossing and intersecting. I was given the picture of a grid in my mind,
with energy that was vibrating at different speeds." -- Glenda G

"The lights, a connection to the humans, which were glinting off the beings were so bright and
expansive, they interconnected, forming a sort of light grid. I remembered reports in books on
the near-death experience of people seeing grids on the other side that they didn't know how
to explain." -- Linda S


Near death experiencers say the experience is more real than everyday normal waking
consciousness. In fact, many say that this life is a dream or an illusion.

"That's what it felt like, waking up from a dream, waking up to who I truly am and this life was
nothing but a dream! "-- Jessie N

"Actually, the Other Side is more real than the physical realm. The earth plane/life is more like
a dream when contrasted. "-- Daniel A

"I felt more "awake" than I had ever felt, as if this earthly life was but a dream and true
consciousness happens after death. "-- Mark

Marc : So, the real life is after this life, Here we are in nothing more but a dream ? Have NDErs
described our soul ? I think that’s what you’ll be discussing next ?

Yes, the real life is after this life. Here on Earth we are about as dead as we will be. WE are the walking dead, lol.
Near death experiencers say that the soul is a luminous egg made of transluscent light -- a
liquid or fluorescent light -- or a plasma field.

"I was translucent. "-- John C

"I observed another spirit entering the room, it wasn’t as large as me because I was pure
plasma, a glowing bodiless form that was pure energy and intelligence" -- Gregory C

"Then I looked at myself and I was light, I was made of light! However, at some point I had
not this light body anymore, I was just a point of consciousness in universe!... The more we
love, the more we emit light because we vibrate faster! "-- Leonard


NDEs reveal that a soul sheds its physical body and lower animal everyday normal waking
consciousness or ego and experiences the afterlife with the true expanded consciousness or
awareness of its soul which is described as pure consciousness. Souls experience this state of
superconsciousness whether they go to the light or not.

"Consciousness remained, totally alert, linked to this luminous flow to such an extent that it
dissolved in it. I was this refined, sublime consciousness." -- Mathilde M

"It was a totally different type of consciousness, it was without any constraints." -- Bruce C

"I would no longer call it consciousness, it is a self identity separate from consciousness...more
like a super consciousness." -- Jeff C

"I realized I was pure energy, spirit, and part of a flowing consciousness; while still remaining
'Denise'." -- Denise

"It was two entirely different types of alertness and consciousness." -- JH

"The best way that I can describe it is that this state was beyond the need for thoughts or
senses. Thoughts and senses are things that in my view pertain to consciousness. Where I was,
it was a state of pure awareness-beyond consciousness and therefore the need of thoughts or
senses..." - Victor C (other non-NDE)

Marc : they seem to access a much higher level of consciousness, where travelling in a flash is not an issue, right?


That's right. I think at the highest level NDEs is driven by consciousness. Travel is by intent, desire or thought and most claim that they can travel instantaneously or at
extremely high speeds.

"Travel was easy. Simply by desire." -- Dr. Jean Renee H

"It was an energy travel - like we set our intention and away we went." -- Pamela B

"Travel is also by thought both into the physical and ethereal dimensions of realities." -- Alan M

"I felt that I could move at the speed of light... It was as if I was propelled by thought, rather
than body. What existed was pure will. "-- Bryan Z

"High speed travel... Gliding rather than walking, and flying. Easy transition from standing to
flying, as if by thought or wish. " -- Anne S


This is an account of Gigas who emailed me about her experience in the void:
"The first time I entered the black void I was afraid. I knew I had to breathe but there was no
air there. I knew I thirsted but there was no water there. I knew I needed to be warm but there
was no warmth there. I was afraid, and then a calm came over me. I had no need for any of
that. I was a conscious form in a black void where I became aware I was a sphere of light with
no sense of direction, just the blackness and feeling released from all the pain learned in the
physical realm.
It was beautifull, pleasent and I was unchained, free from everything I had known before...I
was truely free of the suffering bondage back there in the body."

"I was in a void, completely black, but yet.. it felt endless, I saw nothing, only black, but yet I
could feel there was a down, there was a up, a ledge, a wall....As I walked down the wall in
the void, it felt as if it lasted forever. Once I entered the light, it seemed to last just a few
moments." -- James E

Mellen-Thomas Benedict had an extensive NDE where he went to a light beyond the first
light and also to a void.

He wrote, "As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself
in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond
infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the
beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I
was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute
life and consciousness...I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than
everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute
consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence...What mystics call the void is not
a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we
are. ...
Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even
while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go
anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical
manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components.,,,,I was in the void and I
was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's
eyes. I had become God." - end-quote

I received some emails from a woman in Florida. She wrote, "I have been reviewing your
article on and off for the past year - It changed my perspective on the afterlife
immensely. Last year, I had a serious accident . I was in and out of a coma for days
having spent two weeks in the intensive care unit. One thing I do remember is when
I lost consciousness , plunging into total darkness; no bright light, no deceased family
members. .... As the months passed by, a feeling of absolute love and peace would
resonate from within me - still does. Strangers seem to be curious about me. At night,
as I am drifting to sleep, internally, me head will start to glow...
I had read your article months before my accident, and so in essence it stayed with
me. As I am lying on my hospital bed, I had momentary lucid thoughts which were:
not to project any expectations of angels, guides,...etc. I was not going to be lied to
which is why I am guessing the immersion into the void. Once I started to regain
lucidity, one of the nurses confessed to me that she would often come into my room
when I was unconsciousness because she said the room would fill with a feeling of
peacefulness. This woman then went out of her way to take such loving care of me.
At times, this divine love within me is so intense I sometimes burst into tears... My
happiest moments are spent in solitude, at peace." end-quote

Marc : Intense feelings of absolute consciousness and divine love seem to have prevailed in your description of the void and
darkness on the other side ?


It *IS* a higher state of consciousness and love is often felt even if one doesn't go to the light. Not all void experiences were pleasant. I forget exactly how much, but I think 2/3 or so of the void experiences were pleasant.

I have studied whether souls choose to go to the Light or whether they are pulled there
automatically. It is my opinion that by far the vast majority more or less go automatically to
the Light. Virtually all of them seem to want to go to the Light so they weren't trying to avoid
it or anything, but I would say most were automatically pulled there. Some just found
themselves in the Light without even going through a tunnel. You may have the free will to
decide not to go to the Light, but few exercise that will.

"When I became to desire the light; as I felt a connection of warmth or love or desiring to be
closer to the light, it immediately moved, and rapidly, closer, and began to vibrate at a faster
frequency. The message was simply “love.” "-- Barry L

"I then felt as much as saw a light ahead, intense but not painful. I felt an overwhelming desire
to go into it." -- Andrew S

"It is a very bright light that seems to absorb you into it when you reach it." -- Douglas H

"I felt attracted, as if magnetized, by a light which attracts me, the closer I come to this light,
the more I feel well, a feeling of peace, love, wellbeing, fullness. This light attracts me and I
lose sight of my terrestrial body. I go towards this light, which absorbs me more, and more. I
never felt such total wellbeing before in my life." -- Aissaoui

"My thought was "oh what is that" the moment I thought it, I moved forward, almost like my
curiosity propelled me....The more curious I got the fast I propelled forward, like flying, it felt
incredibly freeing. "-- Sherri A

"Then I became aware of something like a tunnel, and I remember feeling drawn toward it. "--
Douglas H

"I saw a dark tunnel and began to travel out of the top of my head and through it....I continued
flowing through this expanse without control as I felt I was being pulled or controlled through
this process." -- Nan A

"At that same moment or maybe one second later I felt myself leaving my body. I found I was
in a tube and I was being sucked towards the light.....I went further because I wanted to go to
the light." -- Danielle V

Marc : They feel drawn to the light like some sort of « soul control mechanism or light technology », not much free
will described here.

I know it seems that way from the accounts. They desire to go the light and are attracted to it so they are drawn there. But they want to go there. It is not as if they are fighting against going there. But it does seem as if they are not in control. Of course, we have been conditioned here on Earth to believe we are not in control of our afterlife. Many of the NDErs are indeed sent back to Earth against their free will or sort of tricked into redirecting their thoughts back to Earth to a loved one that needs them. Once one has entered their domain then one could become subject to their game and rules.

There could be a soul control mechanism or light technology involved. There are reports of a city of crystal with domes and a tower and crystal is used in computers, memory and transducers and receivers.


NDERs describe the light as being as bright as a thousand suns yet did not hurt their "eyes".

"The light was like a boundary but it was transparent, I passed through into the light:.... I was
blinded by the light unable to see anything but the light did not hurt your eyes. It was like
looking into the sun a million times over a pure white light. I felt warm, safe, peaceful, and in
the presence of pure unconditional love. It was like the light was absorbing me, ....I know I
was in the presence of God." -- Lloyd P

"Then, in another second, I was standing on a river made of liquid light! There was grass and
landscape but it was all made of this light or had the light in it. "-- Laura L

"... I was just pure consciousness with no body, in the "other" place I had physical form, but
my body like everything else there was like it was made of liquid light." -- Anthony N

"The pulsating liquid light that radiated peace/joy/love. "-- Jill D

"Suddenly I felt as if I was in a bright light. It was tinged with blue and silver. Like a plasma
ball you see on sci-fi movies. There was an electricity to the...ether." -- Chris D

"My impression was that the whole 'heaven' was made of this plasma, and I could not get in,
because my 'body' wasn't subtle enough, to get into the plasma." -- Franziska R ADC

"As my awareness increased it became apparent that this white light was a ‘knowing’ light. It
seemed to be in love with me, amused at me, and intimately knowledgeable of every nuance
of my being.. Despite any of my foibles, eccentricities, poor decisions and plain old
humanness, it loved me to the core." -- Jo B

Pam Reynolds "was told by people on the other side that God is not the Light, the Light is
what happens when God breathes."

"Upon seeing the shimmering Light that is indescribably beautiful, I had a revelation. This
Light is not, in the strictest sense, "God" in the traditional meaning of the bibles of various
religions, including Christianity. This Light, which is an energy gestalt, is an aggregation of
many multitudes of immortal souls from all walks of life, e.g., plants, mammals, fish, and is
collectively a life-force. " -- August

This one is not from NDERF.ORG but from Joe McMoneagle who is a well-known remote
"For a long time I was absolutely convinced that the white light was God. I’m not convinced
of that now. The experience is still just as real in my mind as the day it happened but I’ve
since had a second near-death experience....

In my second experience I was fully prepared to go to the light again, to go where I knew was
home, and I was not allowed to. I was allowed only to see it. But I was not allowed to enjoin
it. So in the second experience, this confused me. It created a huge philosophic problem for
me because by being able to see the light and not going to it, it showed me that the light had
edges. My definition of God is that God cannot be a finite being. God can’t have edges.
What I believe the light is, is what we are in totality when we’re no longer a physical being.
We’re pure energy beings and we’re created in the image and likeness of God. But that isn’t
God. " end-quote

Marc : This next part about the fluorescence of the light in NDEs reminds me of the Fluorescence Markings after
Alien abductions ? http://evelorgen.com/wp/articles/medical-and-scientificaspects-of-alien-abduction/the-afterglow-of-the-alien-abduction-experience-fluorescencemarkings-found-on-claimants-of-alien-et-contact/


Yes, that is interesting indeed. Many creatures in the deep ocean use fluorescence and bioluminescence. A French biologist working on a firefly cousin called Pyrophorus deciphered the chemistry responsible for the firefly's magical glow. He determined it's the result of a reaction between two chemicals, luciferin and luciferase, which he named for the fallen angel Lucifer, the light bearer. Biofluorescence is an odd property because the animals don't actually produce any light, but rahter filter the light of the sun. Lucifer is also named Phosphor. I suspect his light "bearing" is due to phosphorescence. Phosphorescence is a specific type of photoluminescence related to fluorescence. Fluorescence is the emission of light by a substance that has absorbed light or other electromagnetic radiation. Phosphoresecence is related to fluorescence which absorbs light and then re-emits it....this would be very similar to how the Demiurge was described as being a filter for the light and also the Gnostics' description of him "stealing" light.

Nearly three dozen mentioned the light on the other side as being 'fluorescent' or possessing
an other worldy luminescence.

"The next I remember was seeming to become part of everything but moving with huge
fluorescent light structures that formed waves and were perfect in size and movement and the
light was perfect." -- Udon T

"Well, I didn't have a "white" light, but there was a wonderful, calming, warm, homey light
that was a color I'd NEVER seen before. The only way I can describe it is a violet/white/blue
fluorescent type color -- but it was almost like a pool of color or presence that was radiating
so tremendously." -- To's

"I found myself in a tunnel illuminated by a faint, foggy light. As I went through it I found
myself at a fork in the tunnel where it split in two. I could make out a light at the very end of
one of the tunnels, so that’s the one I took. As I went along I came across an identical
branching of the tunnel.... Having counted 450 branches and tunnels, I found myself outdoors
in a forest of vibrant colors, of fluorescent green, with a colossal tree in the centre." -- Tony P


I found 75 cases where the light and its surroundings were described as being cloudy or misty
or having clouds and mist. This is another indication that the Light is not the pure, divine
Light but an incoherent white light -- unless there are several lights of varying intensity and

"Then as instantly as I rose, I was instantly present within something that resembled a cloud. I
don't say it was a cloud but it was bright, white and soft. I felt the total embrace of LOVE." --
Geralyn AS

"The next thing that happened was that I was walking in clouds... Walking in clouds like in the
movie " Heaven can wait"... It was bright light. I had some feeling that I was not in my human
body but in my spiritual body. "-- Joe W

"Those clouds that are in Heaven are not the kind you see on Earth. They seem to dance, those
white floating clouds. I spent a lot of time staring at them." -- Roy S

"I saw beings standing there within a great white cloud backed by a white light. It was like they
were standing on, and within, this beautiful white cloud that was surrounded by light. The
cloud rose up among them, but it was more dense around their feet." -- Paul

"I found myself floating, like in a cloud. There were no buildings, no structures, just light and
love. " -- Chantal L

"I was in the misty light...
The mist itself was a 'being' of sorts...
It was a misty light. But it really wasn't light. It was - emotion, peace, love, everything
combined to form a 'mist.' " -- Raymond H

"There was a white mist surrounding me. I was unable to see through it except that they was a
brilliant white light - as if the sun was shining behind the clouds." -- Christine E

Marc : Could that misty light and those clouds be some type of an anesthetic process or screen memories for the soul ?
Next, you’ll be quoting what the NDErs say about THE TUNNEL / PIPE / VORTEX, the core episode for the afterlife trickery ?

Good observation, Marc! Good magicians also make use of smoke and mirrors. The smoke or clouds makes it more difficult to see what is really going on and can "cloud" one's judgment perhaps. The Shadow was said to be able to cloud the minds of men. I think mists or sprays are used in anesthetics. Anesthesia numbs the pain and also brings the consciousnes level down into a state of amnesia, sleep or hypnosis. I'll touch on hypnosis a bit later on. The soul is often described as being in a state of relaxation and there are suggestions and commands given. There is sometimes music and color especially as one travels or spins through the tunnel. That seems to be the classic depiction of hypnosis too, a spiral which produces a vortex or tunnel effect.

The tunnel is frequently encountered by those who go to the Light. It is also described as a
vortex, pipe, tube, hose, vent, spiral, or rings. It may be a portal or wormhole to another dimension. There
are predominantly two tunnels reported -- one arches upward toward the light and
the other one downward toward a darker less pleasant experience... Some of the
common traits associated with the tunnel are vibration, color, music, wind,
magnetism and electricity. There are several destinations on the other side of the
light -- many talk about a garden/park - which is perhaps the Park that Robert
Monroe mentions in his Hemi-Sync program. There is a river of life that souls ride
on or sometimes acts as a barrier to the other side...there is quite often a crystal city
mentioned with a dome and a tower...there is an area which reminds souls of a
waiting room/ and a hall where they are sometimes greeted by dead relatives Some
say the tunnel is just a matter of moving so quickly through space. What is particularly
interesting is that a few experiencers actually mention it being an illusion.

"I did not go down the tunnel, but I saw the outside of it in the near distance..........I saw a tube
projecting up at about a 45 degree angle, much like a pipe in the ground..........above it, approx
two mouth diameters away were TWO very bright white lights.......these lights pivoted
towards a "target soul" ascending the tunnel, and paused for a few seconds while the soul
entered the light.........the light would then pivot like a searchlight towards another soul and
pause again while the soul entered the light......Both lights were identical and moved similar,
but independently......I knew that those were souls entering the light..."-- Matt S

"I opened my eyes and saw that I was enclosed in a tube of brilliant, golden, vibrating, living
light" -- Martine

Nan A: "I saw a dark tunnel and began to travel out of the top of my head and through it."

"seemed as if passing through a spiral tunnel" -- Marianna C

"The tunnel is an entrance and exit into the grids. this is the cross over of life, we are judged in
the grid world, if the tunnel goes down its to a lower level, i.e. you did not perform virtuously
in this life, if the tunnel goes up, go with it, you have performed virtuously.... only the grid
dimension, which is the 'gateway'. "-- Cam

"Immediately I was surrounded by an earthen works tunnel in vivid, vibrant color and detail,
with the proverbial light at the end. Though the tunnel was just as real as anything I have
experienced on Earth, I knew that I was not in a tunnel. So I wasn't fooled by its appearance.
Upon realizing that I wasn't 'fooled,' a flood of 'knowings' about manifesting reality inundated
my mind. I realized that we all constantly manifest what we call physical reality just by virtue
of our thoughts, and that the only reason we are fooled into believing it is real is because of
the limitations of human senses. " -- Nanci D

"There was a vortex of white fire spiraling through space. It was a beautiful sight and looked
very much like the electricity coming from a nuclear power generator. There were voices
calling me to join this energy. Some voices were familiar, but most were not. I looked at the
energy and said firmly, 'NO! I want my own.' No sooner had I thought it, a very slim pillar of
white fire appeared a distance from the large one. I said with satisfaction, 'That is mine.' "--

Marc : the next topic implies memories of a wheel during NDEs, like the wheel of fortune, a casino type wheel of karma game, leading to
reincarceration / reincarnation or rebirth ?


It's funny you menton the wheel of fortune as I had that in an earlier draft, but took it out. I also commented to my friend that the roulette wheel or slot machine could be a pun. I also think the lottery wheel is another example. I think a lot of the games and rides at fairs, circuses and carnivals are inside jokes based on reality. Of course, there is the ferris wheel at fairs. The word 'ferris' is spelled differently but it could perhaps even be a pun for a steel wheel that is somehow involved.

A few NDErs -- maybe 10 or so -- remember seeing a wheel with slots or a mandala which
consists of all our souls or lives and a sorting or placement into our next incarnation.... the
wheel could be similar to the tunnel. But it invokes images reminiscent of the Wheel of

Wilson, FDE (fear-death experience) said, "The object resembled a giant waterwheel lying on its side and rotating as
it approached me and my vehicle... It was larger than what we think of as the world... As the
object drew near to me, a kind of sensation came over my person and I knew exactly what this
thing was. Not only that, but I knew everything that pertained to it, what it was, what it was
doing, what it’s 'business' was with me, where and when I had seen it before, why I was
seeing it now, and many many other things that I cannot now recall.
I had seen the object before I was born and I will see it again when I die. We all knew it
before we were born. We will all see it when we die. But this information is eclipsed from us
while we are alive. And that was why I was seeing it now in the experience, because I was in
the process of dying in a fatal car crash.

This wheel wasn’t something that moved towards me through the world, or through reality
somehow. That was an illusion that my senses were constructing for me. The wheel WAS
reality, itself. It represented EVERY CONCEIVABLE POSSIBILITY for a life or for a world
that could ever be envisioned or imagined. As it approached, I became aware that what we
call our world was contained within it. It was simply one of the numberless slots or paddles in
the 'water wheel.' It had always been so. My life, your life, our world, all of us - we were a
part of this wheel structure and we had always been a part of this structure...

The water wheel sort of rolled across me and then across the place where my car was in the
road. As it did so, I began to be hit by each of the paddles in the wheel...

.... I understood that I was about to be subject to the process that humans approximated with
the term 'reincarnation.' This was why the wheel had come. I represented a kind of
discrepancy that had to be fixed. The event, or perhaps the imminent event, on the highway
had caused me to slip out of or fall between the paddles on the wheel. This structure had some
kind of cosmic purpose of sorting things into their correct natural place. I was afraid and
resisted being 'sorted' so the wheel stepped up its aggressive attempts to 'sort' me correctly.

With this came another understanding that frightened me even more. I knew that unless I soon
selected one of these realities to slide back into, that the wheel would coerce the situation by
deciding for me. One way or another, I WOULD be 'sorted' whether I liked it or not. If I
didn’t choose for myself, I would simply be fitted into place at some nearest position on the
wheel to the point where I failed to make the decision;

I have no explanation for why I failed to experience any of the phenomena usually reported
with the imminent death situations like the tunnel, the light, and so on. I suspect that imminent
death experiences are symbolic scenarios that flash up just as someone is entering or exiting
the wheel, but before the situation has developed very far. At no stage did I see anything
whatever that resembled what we humans would think of as an afterlife or spirit world or life
after death realm. It’s as if we are either on the outer surface of the wheel itself, in one of its
realized worlds, or else we are dead and we are the wheel itself. The wheel is a space where
all uncreated possibility exists, but nothing completed or actual. And bear in mind that
nothing was concealed from me. I was the ALL, and knew the ALL. I certainly don’t retain it
or pretend to, but I knew it then...

The wheel didn’t seem bothered one way or the other. It didn’t seem to matter to it whether I
emerged again in three minutes time or three decades time. All it cared about was sorting me,
and there was a kind of ruthlessness to this that I will not soon forget.
I found myself back on the highway in what seemed to be a very short distance back up the
road, still approaching the intersection. ...I remember the look on that driver’s face as clearly
as if it were yesterday. I remember him bracing back on the wheel. But I braked as I reached
the intersection and that driver, or his car, were simply nowhere to be seen. " end-quote

"I collapsed into her room onto her bed. I kept having these visions. I saw the reincarnation
wheel sucking me in and spitting me out like a giant magnetic ball of fire that attracted souls
and shoved them into bodies/forms when they passed through. It was like a big sorting
machine happening to thousands of souls all at once." --Kyal L

"There was a spinning white light, and a throbbing noise, going 'wob, wob, wob...' at intervals
of about one second, or slightly less. It consisted of white and black spirals, like a hypnotist's
wheel. It may have been a spinning tunnel.... Spinning white light, like a hypnotist's wheel. " --
Steve N

"A soft grinding/grating, like a mill-wheel as the tunnel rotated. "-- CJ

"To the right, I could clearly see a Mandala. This wheel rotated very slowly, but also, I had the
feeling that this wheel could not be stopped, no matter what. A very solid, slow, relentless
movement. This wheel had rings in it and they rotated in the wheel. Inside this rotating wheel,
I saw small black figures, they rotated with this wheel..."
. -- Caroline R

Mellen-Thomas Benedict said, "The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus,
Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.
As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our
Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of
human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix.
It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the
Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being.... "

Marc : which would mean the light adjusts to the human archetypal comfort zone, culture, and religious beliefs.. multiple
choices leading to the source or our higher self, or another matrix control system ?

Yes, that's right. It does adjust to your cultural conditioning
and caters to that to make us feel comfortable. I think there are multiple levels to the control system. There is an NDEr named
David who was taken through seven heavens or levels and those were probably all still within the false heavens.

I feel our true nature is a Spirit and the Spirit once trapped has many lives as different souls whose memories
combined could be termed an oversoul or a higher self. That is just all the combined experiences
that your Spirit has had as different souls or incarnations within the false system of the Demiurge.

Another scenario often mentioned on the other side is a garden, park or meadow.

"I instantly found myself on a pathway like in a gigantic garden, and there was light, much
light, all around me. I felt a peace and tranquility that I've never felt, since. I was walking on
the path; one could see much vegetation, plants, flowers, trees, etc., etc., etc. Towards the end
of the walkway, one saw an enormous central light and it was as if a superior being
interrogated me and asked me what I was doing there. " -- Jorge R

"We were walking a bit through the meadow. It was beautiful. Somewhere further back, a
sparkling little brook was meandering through the grass. This brook was the border to heaven.
On the opposite side of the meadow there was a forest. Walking here was easy for me...." --
Franziska R

"When I was there, a landscape of gently rolling hills surrounded me. Flower-filled grassy
meadows spread out on the hills around me. There were huge, deciduous trees in full leaf. The
trees were larger and grander than any here on Earth and surrounded the meadows." -- Nancy


Near death experiencers sometime mention a river of life.

"I then found myself moving rapidly far above the "ground," and then saw a beautiful ribbon of
blue in the distance, which soon became a very broad, glassy surfaced river as I first turned
and hovered over it, at which point it "spoke" in the same way, out of the life that was within
it, 'River of Life.' " -- Alan F

"The wall beyond my gurney became transparent and I was shown what appeared to be a
flowing river. It was silver and shimmering as it flowed. The drops in the river were each a
different color yet all flowed together as one body of water.... The main body of the flow was
silvery shimmering lights with different colored drops on the flow. ...
I use the term river of life to describe the stream. There was an understanding of complete
peace, happiness, and contentment without need or want, coming from the river of life. "--
Wayne H

Marc : Could the river symbolism for the life flow be connected to the water molecule carrying all our memories and vibrations, which is leading us to our next part : NDEs & vibration, colors, rainbow, music, tone and wind ?
In ancient Sumer and also Greece a river played a large part in the afterlife. In Greece, a ferryman would ferry souls along the river Styx to their destination. In near death experiences a river or stream too is often reported, sometimes in conjunction with the meadow or garden scene. Other times it is reported as a river of energy, a river of souls or a stream of consciousness that connects everything together. As a stream of consciousness it could perhaps carry memories. The Internet essentially is a collection of interconnected pipes that carry the flow of information.

A frequent occurrence among near death experiencers is the mention of vibration especially
while in the tunnel. But they also talk about their own frequency or vibration increasing to a
higher level.

Amy C: "It was about WHO the person was, not what label they wore or who or what they worshiped
or believed in. Your own frequency, tone, mathematical equation and vibration says it all, and
you can't tinker with that. You just ARE who you are. .....

We were traveling upward, I suppose. My own vibration was changing. There was a big
change in frequency. Like I was tuning into a different radio station on a grand scale. I was
out in the Universe, and I was being given a kind of show..." end-quote


A rainbow of color is often seen in the tunnel, including some colors which don't exist here on
Earth. The colors are irridescent.

"But on the Internet I read a story bout the Rainbow bridge. Both the story and the depicted
image of the gate corresponded to a fair amount with my own experience." -- Aad G

"It was all the colors of the rainbow in stripes or red, yellow, green, blue, purple etc. Then I
said to myself "f$&@ this I'm not staying here!" -- Marisol S

"Then suddenly I was somewhere else. I saw the most beautiful colors like a swirling rainbow
tunnel. It was so bright. I saw shadowy figures like angels" -- Rebekah J


Otherworldy music and tones are often heard in the tunnel as well as chimes.

"I was staring at the ceiling with all this noise and confusion around me when I heard a distant
bagpipe! There was a PA speaker that I could see on the ceiling and I was curious and even a
little amused as to the source and reason for bagpipe music in the rooms of the Intensive Care
. ..In fact, I first described the man that I saw as a traveler. As the music filled the room, the
room faded away and I was standing, fit and strong, on the top of a small hill within a
landscape of rolling hills. I was looking down the slope of the hill over a broad meadow
where a small man wearing kilts was walking away from me playing bagpipes and singing. I
never saw his face and he never stopped walking. ..As mentioned this happened virtually the
same way ten times." -- Dr. Ralph H

"I then went down a blue flume-like tube with a bright light at the bottom. As I was floating
through this tube, I could hear snippets of conversations from my past. On exiting the tube, I
was surrounded by the most wonderful music - similar to pan-pipes. This music was
everywhere and the feeling was so peaceful and pain-free. I asked, "Where am I?" and was
told "The Halls of Music." -- Edna

"After that I went into a long dark tunnel where I could see a small light at the end, where arms
and hands came out of the wall, trying to grab me and pulling me back... I floated towards a
very clear bright but not blinding light, but somehow never reached it totally... During that I
heard the most heavenly music played ever..."-- Erwin V


Wind is often encountered in the tunnel too.

"The cold continued and a very intense and dazzling yellow light appeared, along with a strong
wind, with a loud noise of wind. I started to enter this light-tunnel...."-- Moises

"I was floating in an azure-blue sky. A cold wind hit my limbs. I heard the sound of the wind
upon me. I was transported. My arms and legs opened up like a cross. I was flying at such a
speed...towards this light...At the moment I didn't realize what happened, but it was
impressive...maybe I was in big tunnel?" -- Beau B

"Wind a calm wind and a tone. " -- Heather S

Marc : the following shows some magnetic & electrical attraction to the light, NDErs can feel and see other beings, shapes and forms and
motion… ?

Yes, it's a heightened sense of awareness where they feel things are connected. I think this has to do with the plasma or more fluid type of medium in the astral plane. Other effects perceived in the tunnel include magnetism and electricity. Here are some
comments amount the magnetism.

"It felt like I was being dragged through a dark, wide tunnel high up and far away by some
strong force like a magnetic field. "-- Camilla F

"A tunnel with light, which drew me on... The light was strong and drew me towards it like a
magnet." -- Anne-Cecile

"Magnetic-like forces were pulling me toward this light. As I drew closer, I discerned that what
I thought were rays of light were actually other Beings like myself. We were being pulled
toward the vibrant light at the end of the tunnel and held in a state of suspended animation. I
felt a floating sensation as the Light drew me toward it. The closer I got, the better I felt!" –
Suzanne B

"For some unknown reason, this dramatic rush toward the Light causes me no concern. I have
no fear of the Light. I’m pulled closer and closer, as if I’m drawn into the Light by a gentle,
giant magnet." -- Andrew P


Here are some comments about the electricity.

"Suddenly I felt as if I was in a bright light. It was tinged with blue and silver. Like a plasma
ball you see on sci-fi movies. There was an electricity to the...ether...
....There was a loud, SHHHHHHHIP. Like air being blown out of a balloon...suddenly. A
white all encompassing light...white and bright as anything I could describe, though not
painful to the eyes. " -- Chris D

"I was NOT in human form, I was pure energy and I was drawn to a huge white and golden
light that seemed to encompass the whole universe...
it began to draw me towards it and as it did, it was like an experience of what people call the
eye of the storm, a device that has a static electric field that when you touch the glass, the
static electricity is drawn to your fingers." -- Bill V

Marc : so, telepathic mind speak and crystal structures have been experienced too during NDEs ?


Yes, telepathic communicaton is one of the universal elements reported in NDEs. I should have mentioned that in the section on the being of Light as it is a prominent feature.

A crystal city is sometimes mentioned or crystal structures like buildings, a crystal tower and
a dome. It makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of tuning fork effect involved for
resonance. Also crystal is used on Earth for transducers and receivers.

"It was a place, a domain that I knew right away was a transfer station - a place where beings
go when moving between realms. It was like a city of crystal structures and verdant green
trees and vegetation. I went into a huge, huge beyond comprehension, perhaps dome-like
structure where one would go to meet with enormous beings of light/energy/color to do the
life review." -- Julian D

"I was then showed many wondrous things of crystal light buildings, full of prisms of light as
we went to another pyramid tower and there I was shown things that I am not to speak of...." --
Bonnie M

"To my left about halfway across the bridge was a large city made of light. The colors were
silver blue, white, and silver. It looked like crystal light. I was getting better as we approached
the end of the bridge, and entered into a large white dome at the end of the bridge. I sat there
as my two personal or guardian angels communicated with the others seated on the
circumference of the interior of the dome." -- Denny B

An excerpt from a book on Spiritism: "High above the radiant sanctuary rose a translucent tower made of a solid, transparent
substance similar to crystal. ”

"Upon my arrival at this crystal powered city I called Paralandra the city of celestial light,
where I was introduced to "mind speak". Mind speak is a communication without using words"
-- Christianne


[Note: This section was added 7/10/2017. It is interesting to note the Gnostics said that the goddess Sophia placed or hid her creation, the Demiurge, on a throne in a cloud behind a veil. NDErs have reported seeing all of these phenomena as we will see.]

"As described above, when taken to the Throne Room, I saw the reflection of God's Light, not the full force of it. Like light glancing off a window or mirror, but not the fullness of Him. I could not have returned had I done so. And that was not immediate either, as I went on a grand tour of Heaven. I did see light within the waters, grass, trees, etc. but it was like loving light embracing or throwing back to me pure love." -- Diane C

"It is a feeling of Perfect love and trust. A feeling so strong that it could be felt so far away that traveling at supersonic speeds it would take half an hour to get there. The closer it came the stronger the feeling became until this immense feeling totally engulfed me in ecstasyso intense as to be unimaginable (for lack of better words) and lifted me by my elbows above the darkness and away we went; me being supported by two beings that felt better than a mother's breast to a newborn. I looked up at my benefactors and found that they were dressed in black gowns and had a screen over their faces that, if you looked closely, had a mirror like substance that reflected your own image back at you. They were giving me reassurances through feelings and music that was like talking, only better than language. There is nothing to learn you can understand totally." -- James S

"We went through the door and there appeared an enormous mirror. Very large. Just as we went through the entry, I could see thousands of lights, millions of stars. It was as if they were suspended in space. When the door closed after us, the enclosure remained sealed and the lights began to shine more. Everything seemed to move. I could see that the person who had my hand began to shine more with an enormous intensity. That black light I described she had at the beginning began transforming itself into white light, an enormous white light and emanated from her breast and seemed to communicate with all the other lights. "-- Alejandro M

"I have a memory from before I was born, and remember being a part of a "circle of souls" so interconnected and intertwined that we did not seem to think much of our own consciousness--then my consciousness developed awareness and I remember two beings giving me a "preview" of my life before I was to be sent to earth--they showed me something like a mirror or a curtain, offering pictures of the earth and showed me my parents and then told me there were certain lessons I needed to learn, though I certainly don't remember what...as I've spoken to psychics, they have often commented seeing these two presences next to me...Now I am having a soul mate experience with someone who is afraid of commitment." -- Melanie, SMR

"Afterwards, the tunnel turned a light yellow and I saw a female 'being' appear in order to accompany me. We finally arrived at a light and then a room appeared - sort of a control room - where there were people behind one-way mirrors. I heard someone say that I had arrived at a parallel universe at a HIGHER LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS where it was possible to see other people living normally upon the earth." -- MB

"Gesturing he told me to walk forward and I would see what I would call 'a mirror'. Once in front of it, I would understand why I didn't need a bathroom. Moving into the direction, before me was a liquid pool of white, yet, it also appeared to be a mirror. I was completelymesmerized. There were colors - brilliant colors everywhere. I was an array of beautiful moving, shimmering, vibrating, and colors. He came closer and said, 'Do you understand now?' I realized I was pure energy, spirit, and part of a flowing consciousness; while still remaining 'Denise'." -- Denise

"Those people was real aberrations, but they couldn’t touch him, because there was something like an invisible mirror that wouldn't let them. As he came to the end of that tunnel, he saw himself on the other side. It was all bright and shiny there - a beautiful garden where, he told me, he could hear soft, magnificent music." -- Ricardo

"I have found that reality is only a 'veil' covering another veil, covering another veil, and so on. It has been very rewarding to draw these 'veils' aside and see deeper into what we can only call the name of God - what we can never know or comprehend but can be more aware of our being a part which is never apart." -- John Z

"I have visited like three levels, in the psychic part I have three levels and I've been there, but during the experience itself I only got to the dark area with the white dots, the first level is at the tunnel, the second is the white veil, and the third is in the dark area. After the dark area there are plants and animals, but I haven't seen people that I could say come from there". -- Lars O

"This end, this extremity is made of a light and volutes of an opalescent white. Very intense and not blinding, this light similar to a textured veil, is composed of reflections of countless luminescent colors, it seems full of vitality." --
Vincent H

"There was a curtain of light around her, a veil of energy behind her. I wasn't allowed to pass through that veil." -- Steve T

"I was rushing through beautiful colors, all at once my paternal grandmother stood in front of me. She was beautiful, dressed in a beautiful white gown, behind her there was a veil, like looking through lace curtain with other beings milling about." -- Story C

Marc : Next, NDErs have perceived the light as God, and also Jesus, angels, archangels & guides ?

The light is often said or perceived to be God. And, yes, Jesus, angels, archangels and guides are seen also.
I'll give a breakdown as to how many of each are seen in just a bit.


"This light loved me! This light talked to me! I asked it if it was god and it answered me, “Yes
I am the light!" -- Leonard
"The Light itself spoke to me and I knew it was God, the Power that created the whole
universe." -- David

"I was suddenly in front of a great Light. It had to have been God!" -- Tom S

"...she told me that God was not someone we could meet, we wouldn’t bear the vision. But he
is an energy that we can feel and see as a light of variable intensity depending of one’s heart’s
purity." -- Kolleen

"God is love" -- the love was like an energy that connected every molecule in the universe. -- Kathy W

Tonja B: "I asked the energy ball if it was God. They said, 'That is a human word but if it
makes you feel comfortable, you may call us God.' "

Krikrikit: "But now I was standing on the 'floor' of the 'hall' looking toward the 'far end' of it.
Well, GOD was there. Or more accurately, a great Fire or Light that I was to understand
'represented' or 'stood for' God."


Jesus is often seen in the Light. There are dozens of accounts involving Jesus.

While reading through some of the near death experiences mentioning Jesus I noticed several
This is ironic since NDErs claim to have such complete and total knowledge....A few said
Jesus had brown hair while a couple said he had white hair. A few said he had blue eyes while
a few said he had brown eyes. I also just read one where he was described as having lack hair.
A couple identified Jesus and God as the same identity while
others clearly thought of them as different personages. One said Jesus died on the cross and
another said He didn't.
Some examples:

"I knew that Christ had not died on the cross and that there is no sin or evil." -- Patsy

"He transferred me to a time during the crucifixion. I remember being in the crowd yelling for
him to be crucified, I could smell the blood and I could smell death. I remember as he hung on
the cross I remember stabbing him with my spear." -- Vinnie G

"There before me was the most BEAUTIFUL man I have ever seen in my whole life! The look
on his face was pure LOVE and excitement. I have never ever had anyone look at me like
this. His eyes wide with excitement and overflowing with LOVE and JOY. The Bluest Blue I
have seen in my life. He was young and tall dark and the most handsomest man alive. There is
no living person to ever exist that could match the BEAUTY of Jesus Christ." -- Sarah W

"I said, 'You're Jesus aren't you?' He gave me that smile that only Jesus can give and I knew
the answer without him having to say anything... I caught a glimpse of his eyes which he
allowed me to do. They are the most beautiful color I had even seen. They are light brown
with flecks of amber color that shines with love." -- Julie H

"Suddenly I felt someone pick me up in their arms and I was surrounded by light and I looked
in the smiling face of a man who said his name was Jesus he told me not to be frightened he
was here to take me back. He had shoulder length brown hair and dark brown eyes." -- Marilyn

"I stood there and suddenly I saw Jesus. It was quite an awesome shock to be standing in His
presence. I was in such awe, I could not speak. My eyes were fixed upon Him. His hair was
white like wool and hung down to His shoulders. His skin was like brass without one wrinkle.
His eyes were like flames of fire and when He spoke, it was with great authority." -- Sybil S


In addition to the many cases of meeting Jesus there are almost 100 cases where an archangel,
a biblical figure such as the Virgin Mary, or a guardian angel or spirit guide was encountered.
That doesn't include all the cases where an unidentified angel was seen. Here is the
breakdown: Michael (7 cases), Gabriel (3 cases), Raphael (3 cases), Metatron (2 cases), Angel
of Death (2 cases), unnamed archangel(3 cases), Virgin Mary(21 cases), ascended master (2
cases), spirit guide (12 cases), guardian angel (about 50 cases).


I was curious to know how NDErs described the face of God. So I searched the NDERF web
site for the word 'face'. Many NDErs do see faces of dead relatives or angels or even
sometimes Jesus since they saw the color of his eyes and hair. But when it comes to the face
of the Light Being which they almost unanimously call God for some reason they cannot see
his face because it is too bright to see details. Only a few can recall His face and amazingly
enough a couple seem to see the face of a lion. This is pretty amazing because the Gnostic
texts describe the false Gaud, the demiurge, as having the face of a lion and the body of a
serpent! While Jeff Long was being interviewed by Art Bell a caller even called in and said
he saw a being with a lion's face in the Light during their NDE. Here are a few NDE
descriptions from NDERF of NDErs wanting to see the face of God and a few that saw other

"I observed him as he was so surely to hold on to the door knob of this particular room door as
he came out backwards and notice his countenance having what appeared to be a long robe on
which you could clearly looked through him and the gold belt he had on plus looking at his
face which scared the living crap out of me,.............. he had a face of a ............lion." -- Charles

"I looked at the throne and I was light and the face of a bear, eagle, lion and ram all changing
every second. When I looked to my right I saw a dark brown man with a black pin striped suit
and a red tie. His eyes were snake eyes and blinked side ways. He had roll teeth like piranha
and he had two people with him a women and a man who looked similar. The tall kind man
who I knew was Jesus told me with his eyes that everything was going to be okay." -- Patricia

"Back to the pearly gates. He came to me and I said, "Hey man, you got wings!" He smiled at
me. I asked him what was pinning me and that it was really tough. He told me not to look at it
but I did for a second. I had to turn away. He was fearsome, had a few faces some kind of
lion, eagle, and such. My feeling was that it was the guard to the entrance of heaven." -- John S

"I sensed a presence to the rear right of me and I could see a winged creature with a
dragon/lion-like face similar to those seen in Asian art and architecture. It was flying around,
coming closer to me in the void I was floating in." -- Jack, Ketamine experience

Marc : God sitting on a Throne is seen in a real « power trip » it seems, right ?

Lots of NDEs where "god" is sitting on throne in a "white room"...I wonder if this chair can
radiate light and love? Why would a light being that can take any form it wants need to sit on
a throne or even sit at all? Does he get tired from standing too long? lol
Seems a bit of a power trip. A throne is associated on earth with royalty (kings and queens)
and rulers or authority.
It seems to me to be a way to convince us that we are subordinate to it and should yield to its
suggestions and authority or power... a form of mind control or spell casting....getting one to
bend or yield and give away one's free will. The newly departed soul which has been mired so
long in the muck and lower vibrations has forgotten its true nature and is somehow impressed
by the size and brightness of the light and perceived feeling of "love" which may just be
mirroring back the same frequency of the soul so that it is in resonance with the being and
everything/everyone around it.

SJ said, "I found myself suddenly 'very high up' in a bright white room. There were several beings
there...There was a being on a throne, that I was almost directly in front of, that was the only
one sitting down.
The others were standing up, and they were barefoot and in robes. I couldn't see their faces,
just their feet, ankles, and the bottom of their robes. The standing ones seemed irritated a bit,
and one lifted his ankle a bit as if to hide from me. They wanted to move off to the sides so
that I couldn't see them. I was forced on my hands and knees, and couldn't move or look
around except with my eyes...

They were very white or 'chalky' looking. first, I believed, from their color, that they were
possibly the 'gray aliens'. But then I believed they were gods or religious-type beings, because
of the set-up of there being a throne in the room. The room was very bright white, and they
were wearing robes... I do not necessarily view this being on the throne as the Big G: god,
which/who I feel is probably a different sort of abstract and a more universal, non-human
consciousness. However, I did feel the beings I was seeing, have historically been called gods
by other humans. " -- end-quote

"When taken to the Throne Room, I saw the reflection of God's Light, not the full force of it.
Like light glancing off a window or mirror, but not the fullness of Him....I did see light within
the waters, grass, trees, etc. but it was like loving light embracing or throwing back to me pure
love." -- Diane C

"The image of God in human form sitting on a throne is a false idol, of the same ilk as a golden
calf. A long, white beard, and all the other physical images we create to describe God are
simply reference points. Why would a being who can shape the universe with His thoughts
need such simple tools as hands? The only way we can create is with our hands, so we
imagine God with hands. What man is doing in all these idols is creating an image to which
man can personally relate. Could it be that the confusion and strife over the nature of God is
caused by syntax, translations, and interpretations? -- Ron K

Marc : There’s a feeling of love and a mysterious force triggering it all, can you describe it ?

Yes, sometimes there is a mysterious force that is mentioned and associated with the love.
Words often fail when it comes to describing it with Eathly words as it is Ineffable. NDErs grasp for words like 'orgasmic' etc.

"The Power of Love created and sent out by that being was a force, like electricity is a force. I
could feel it being sent out and touching everything around it" -- DW

"That force that pulled me felt like a light that enveloped me." -- Rafael EH

"I became aware of an intense, pure softness and I knew in that moment, 'He's/it's coming', I
experienced a force of being wanted. But it wasn't a force with a vector, it was just an
But I resisted it. It was overwhelmingly attractive. And its attractiveness was the force that
was pulling me towards it." -- J.H.

"My body began to elevate and elevate, I can say taken by a strange force. It was great...
this strange force was elevating my body faster" -- Graciela H

"Suddenly, I was violently sucked in by an uncontrollable force." -- Yvette R


The most often reported association with the Light is the overwhelming feeling of love felt
while in its presence. This may well be the case but I have spoken to those who didn't even go
into to the tunnel or enter the light and they told me they felt the intense love too. It is the
natural state of our Soul free from the physical body which is yoked to an animal brain and
Counterfeit Spirit.

"The most amazing part was a pure feeling of the most intense love I can barely describe. It
was just wave after wave of pure love. It was within me, it was around me, it was
EVERYTHING. It felt like heartbeats of love, one wave of love after another. Yet there was
love in the interim as well, then the wave would come with even more and more. It was
endless, eternal and complete. I had no fear whatsoever, I had no feeling other than LOVE. I
had no thought other than reaching the LIGHT. I felt pure happiness and joy. It was the most
beautiful feeling that words could never even come close to describing." -- Nichole BD

"This Light Presence of pure, unconditional Love seemed to be in me and around me, allpervasive,
extending into infinity. And strangely, there seemed to be no difference between It,
and my Light being. And even more bewildering, was that this Conscious Loving Presence,
seemed to be, not just my nature and substance, but that it was the nature and substance of all
of existence... "-- Lloyd P

"From out of the corner of my left eye I saw a spark of white light come from behind me, I
turned around in the direction that the spark of light came from and saw a portal of sparking
white light, and the feeling of Unconditional Love coming from the portal, I flew through that
portal so fast as if my britches were on fire, I was Home in the Unconditional Loving White
Light, that renewed my spirit..."-- SW

Marc : Pain and suffering seem to be the major component also to the afterlife in regards to life on Earth ? All this suffering is useless for learning on Earth then, which is a false reality where we’re being sacrificed to experience on-going pain during our separation from the source?

Suffering is such a central component to life on Earth so I wanted to see what near death
experiencers said about suffering. Some imply it is necessary for learning and growing. But I
would think there would be a better tool for teaching souls about love. I think suffering is our
soul's recognition that something is wrong and not the way it should be.

"The Buddha was right: life is about suffering. While alive we are captors, chained by the
pains and pleasures of our neurons. As long as we pursue sensory pleasure, we must endure
pain." -- Ron K

"I told her everything that had led me to committing suicide. She looked at me and said, 'God
made you for a purpose. Trust me. I know this.' I looked at her and said, 'Do I really have to
suffer though? Doesn't God love everyone enough to keep us from suffering so bad?' She
looked at me and said,' God works in many ways. Trust me I've seen it happen.' She knew that
she hadn't convinced me." -- Julianna D

"I understood that the pain and suffering I was going through was nothing more than life in this
world, for a greater purpose." -- Mark H

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"I was told why we are here and why we suffer. I was told that we all have to live out lessons
on earth for our soul to grow, like being a child learning new things. We suffer to learn how to
cope with things and to develop our soul." -- Charmaine M

"Time and again we choose to visit a living mechanical world that was designed and created
imperfect purposely for the evolution of the soul, essence, spirit energy or whatever term you
prefer. In a paradoxical sort of way you could say that anger, hatred, greed, jealousy as well as
all other forms of human suffering were designed to exist in this world exclusively for our
benefit because they do not exist back home." -- Steve B

"When you are no longer a ‘self’, you no longer suffer. There is nothing to suffer over. When
there is no voice in your head, there is no self to suffer about. Pain exists but it is just a
detached element of reality that is impermanent, as everything else is. "-- William T

"She looked at me and said, 'We suffer for how we are being here, when we separated our
Being or Spirit from the one Truth and created a False Reality we feel pain. We separate our
connection to this power. Our pain is directly proportionate to the level of separation of our
Spirit from here.' "-- Scott W

Marc : Next, you’ll be reporting the feeling of Oneness, inter-connectedness with the universe and the collective soul groups ?

Yes, a major component of the NDE seems to be a feeling of inter-connectedness with everything
or a oneness with the universe. Some mention being part of a collective soul. This feeling of
oneness is sometimes reported here on Earth with certain psychotropic drugs like mushrooms
or LSD.

"I 'knew' that what I had found was the sum total of all 'knowing' or wisdom of all people for
all time - past, present and future. All wisdom comes from this pool of collective knowing and
all we learn goes into the pool for the use of everyone." -- Jean

"I thought of the light more as a collective soul." -- Ryan G

"We are a collective 'Soul Group' experiencing the balancing of duality." -- Annie P

"Somehow over the years, I have mentally “downloaded” into my brain and understanding,
much of this mysterious knowledge direct from what I call the “Universal Super
consciousness”, this consciousness is a conglomerate of wisdom and knowledge of all sentient
beings in our physical universe, also known as the collective unconsciousness, a sort of
cosmic internet if you like. Note! it is most definitely not Almighty God, who is the only
Infinite and Eternal One ." -- Alan D McD

"I started wondering where I was and looked outside my light pod, which had no inside or
outside, but for sake of description I will say pod, and I saw others just exactly like me, and a
great light pod in the center of all of us, millions of us, floating in the otherwise dark void
with a pure golden light connecting each of us to the center pod. The golden thread of light
was like an umbilical cord although it had no real form but just light, and it was delivering the
peace and love of the center being. The center being was so beautiful I could gaze on it
forever, although I had no eyes. I was happy and totally contented. I remember thinking there
are other light pods closer than me and others way out beyond me a long ways, but I felt I was
exactly where I belonged and it was perfect." -- JMH

"I could see and feel the energy of the universe, understand the living connection between all
of our multiple entities. I would see myself existing in a Matrix-like laboratory, connected to a
computer and generating multiple copies of my own self, through many different realities." --
Fred B

This NDEr named Israel says that an angel named Lamdiel explained to him the evolution of our
planet and that this wonderful evolution means all humans are going to be bound within some
super being, the being who is the hateful god of the Old Testament:
" I was excited. "Who is that giant spirit? I felt as if my heart were racing although I was in
my astral body. The angel smiled, then slowly answered my question. "It is going to be a
strong, huge, high intensity spirit from the third level of existence, from the forces level. That
spirit is going to bond Himself with all of humanity on the planet Earth. "It will create a huge
new entity--one that will improve your lives tremendously and forever. This huge spirit is
quite well known to humanity on Earth. Many people, unknowingly, already are craving to
bond with Him. They consciously pray for His help, and love Him. In some part of their
subconscious minds all people on Earth already know it. And whether they believe in any
established religion or not, in times of great need most humans recognize His existence. They
call him: God, Elohim, Yahave, Allah, the Heavenly Father, and many other names."

There is one account from Mary D which was labeled as an STE, a spiritually transformative
experience but had all the elements of a standard NDE. She was asked, What emotions did you feel during the experience?....
Immense Love
...I saw a beam of white. It came out of the sky and touched me on the
shoulder...One responding to my unasked question who are you? "God of
Abraham." end-quote

Marc : the light erases our knowledge upon our comeback to Earth ?

Yes, near death experiencers say we come back to learn more, to gain more knowledge.. They
claim all knowledge of everything in the universe is present or available in the Light but lose that
knowledge wehn returning to Earth. It is lost during the fall in consciousness.

Some say coming to Earth is to obtain
wisdom through knowledge. We'll look at what NDErs have to say about both knowledge and
wisdom in the Light. Are we to believe our souls were created as blank slates or something or
that they were created incomplete, flawed or defective, and the only way to gain wisdom is by
incarnating here? I think that is preposterous.

"The light then told me you are here to learn how to love and to gain knowledge. When I was
told this all the implications of the word love and knowledge were imparted to me. With the
word love it wasn't just about physical love but the love of nature, accepting all people as the
same, everything that pertained to love. The same was with knowledge. It wasn't just about
book knowledge but about learning about different cultures, histories of the world etc. I felt
when I was told this that it wasn't just my reason for being on earth but all of our reason for
being here, mankind." -- Barbara S.

"Along with this, I had gained universal knowledge of all things." -- Kelly K

"I was given more than just the answers to my questions; all knowledge unfolded to me, like
the instant blossoming of an infinite number of flowers all at once." -- Beverly B

I experienced light beings who were "knowledge" and gave me answers to all the questions of
the universe... universal truth and knowledge. -- Carol V

"While I was there (and only there), access was given to knowledge; 'everything that ever was,
is, and will be.' "-- Daniel A

"I had a feeling that I knew the answers to all life's questions but upon returning to this world
that knowledge was taken from me." -- William E

"All the knowledge of the universe was inside my being." -- Chantal L

Marc : Merging with the light seems to be un uncontrollable desire for NDErs at Death? How and why do you think that is ?

The topic of merging with the Light is a very important one as I have the feeling that at death
this Being of Light may be absorbing the Light energy from the souls and sending the soul
back to Earth into another body with just enough Light energy to sustain itself. I think the desire to
merge is due to the intense feelings of Love felt and the indescribable attraction they have for the Light.
I think a lot of us yearn to be a part of something bigger and more powerful than ourselves.

The merging into one being calls into question the losing of one's soul or identity and conjures up thoughts
of the Borg Collective from Star Trek that have a hive mind.

Some examples NDErs give of their desire to merge with the Light:

"Was going to merge with the light/love, seemed to be mostly about to, knew when I did I
would cease to exists as "I" and become one and part of all, ego would be gone totally. Never
crossed fully seemed to choose without realizing it to come back as sadness at pain on earth
and in death, and wanting to show, tell others about the reality of the light/love so they could
would look for it to." -- Justin U

"My personal feeling is that we are all "sparks" that come from the "Big Light". When our
physical bodies die, our soul, spirit, essence, feelings and thoughts, go back to the source....the
"LIGHT". "-- Corina

Jill D: "What happened was that I became part of (or returned to) the presence that was so
amazing. The closest analogy I can come up with is Odo in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, when
he would go to his home planet and return to the collective. Only everything in the universe is
part of this collective. In essence the universe IS the collective." end-quote

Marc : Now we’ve come to the most meaningful aspect of all this : the meaning of life, way beyond the Monty Python movie by the
same name. can NDEs provide us with real answers to the Meaning of Life ?

One of the biggest questions that mankind has probably asked the most throughout the course
of history to the point of it being cliche is: 'What is the meaning of life?' Interestingly enough,
NDErs do not unanimously agree on the answer so I don't think they can provide a definitive
answer but can help provide insight.

It may be possible that souls could have different purposes or missions
during each lifetime so the meaning of life could be different for each soul during any given life.
Then again, if we are just food for the "are-cons" then the meaning of life from their perspective
would be to provide ongoing illusions to allow then to keep feeding. The meaning of life for the
true Spirits would be to awaken from the dream state of these illusions, to end the game of this
dramatic play and return to the frequency level of our true home.

Cam said, "I did more research and my vision of a spiral seemed to coincide with the 'Samsara' Dharmic
faiths all follow this, I went to my local Buddhist nun, she had an answer for everything, and
how the purpose of life was to 'Escape' the rebirth. This is exactly what I had seen; it was an
awakening to the true meaning of life... The meaning of life, to escape the Samsara.... "

"I asked (thought), "But what is the secret meaning of life?" The answer was given as love.
Nothing more and nothing less." -- Mel W

"I asked him what the meaning of life is. He told me "for the entertainment of the spirit realm." "
-- David J

"The sole purpose of my being here on Earth is to learn how to maneuver and control MY
OWN powerful mind. I am educating myself in how my mind constantly creates my own
reality and co-creates our reality, no matter where I reside. And I EXPERIENCE it!" -- Malla

“I asked the light…What is the Plan? “There is no plan…there never was. You are given this
universe to do what you want and you’re free to do that.” “…the only meaning there is to life
is the meaning you give to it." -- Mellen-Thomas Benedict

MARC : NDEs & SPIRITUAL EVOLUTION is a Key issue, right ?

Yes, it's the heart of the matter, no pun intended.

Many near death experiencers say that life is a school where we come to learn and grow or
evolve as a soul. Make no mistake this question of whether a soul needs to learn and is
evolving is a key issue. As for knowledge they say we need to come to Earth to learn yet they
say all knowledge is available there. We have seven billion souls on the planet now. We have
presumably been reincarnating here for thousands of years. And we still haven't learned
enough about love?

"On the way to the star, we passed all of the planets in our solar system. I saw spirit life on
each planet and was told each one was where different aspects of spirit evolution occur." --
David O

"I remember visiting places that were just coming into existence, and some that were on
various planes of evolution." -- JoAnn M

Roger C said, "The answer is thousands of planets having a higher evolution than you know
on Earth."
My third question:
Are there many planets with a lower evolution than earth?
YES, thousands too! "

"I was also told that the earth serves, and will continue to serve, as a place of evolution and
consciousness..." -- Murielle T

Nanci D said, "I understood at the time that living in this manner was an evolutionary stage beyond that of
Light Beings, whose lives we would perceive to be as discrete, individual beings with
spiritual bodies. At this stage of awareness there was no 'beingness' - only a mental or
conscious existence...
It became excruciatingly clear to me that the whole of our universe transpires exclusively
within the mind of Source. There is only one being in our universe - Source. All things that
we perceive as physical reality are really thoughts manifested by Source within its own
Energy field. And, most importantly, none of it ever leaves the Source. So, I intimately
experienced the 'knowing' that I am literally part of Source's thoughts, and the illusion that I
am separate from it is a gift from Source to itself in order that Source might fully explore its
own personality and creativity...
Second, my level of consciousness continued to evolve through higher and more expansive
levels until I was about to fully merge into Source/God. At that point, I felt as though I had
the same level of consciousness as Source/God, which is the level of awareness/vibration
necessary in order to merge directly into it...
I did, however, evolve through numerous 'levels' of awareness/consciousness/beingness until I
was no longer a being at all. " -- end-quote

"In a mechanical world built to change, which is a part of the design for the evolution of
experience -- a world consumed with growing hatred and violence -- one that may seem void
of Love, at the conclusion of our experience our true home awaits." -- Steve B

"There wasn't anything specific, simply the knowledge that I was trying to move on to the next
step of "evolution" for my soul" -- Trisha S

"In each new lifetime, as the soul makes spiritual progress, its vibrational frequency gets tuned
to a faster, higher and finer level depending upon its degree of evolution. The transformation
continues until the frequency level is fine-tuned to such a degree that it connects with the
frequency of the Cosmos itself, which then allows it to gain entry into Cosmic Consciousness,
one’s true self, which is eternal bliss, otherwise known as ananda." -- Mira S

Dave A said, " It is far more likely that god is more like the Borg from Star Trek in that there is a collective
consciousness, but energy beings that, when free of limiting physical constraints, are able to
unite and become a part of the whole as would a drop of water into the ocean. As energy, its
properties would be consistent throughout the whole as would its consciousness and
knowledge. All the experiences of all the entities would be combined in a pool of knowledge
that would be akin to one mind, one being, instantaneously. For god to be a single being
would be like saying that the ocean is a single molecule of water or that we are made up of a
single cell instead of billions. Each of our cells contains the memory of who we are and thus
is able to reproduce to grow and maintain our bodies. It is not a far stretch of the imagination
to say that god, as a collection of entities, also reproduces entities like we do our cells.
Therefore we can deduce that god is growing and evolving. Likewise, destructive cells such
as cancer would be consistent with the opposite of god, the devil, and that negative energy
is harmful and destructive. This commonality is part of the model of the nature of the
universe. " --end-quote

Marc : In some NDEs, EARTH is presented AS A SCHOOL where we learn spiritual lessons?

Yes, I have a friend at the near death group meetings who says 'Earth is a school and each day I attend'.

To MY way of thinking it may be a school but it could just as easily be a prison and a farm.

Gina: "Life is a school, nothing more."

"We are students at a school called Earth...when the bell rings, we go back home...with lessons
learned. "-- Daniel A

"We can think about it as being in some kind of 'school or virtual game.' " -- Julio M

"She said I was to stay there with her and I asked her if this was school. She said it was
something like a school which made me happy as I wanted to go to school like my 3 older
sisters." -- Joni P

"By what I was shown I understood that Earth is school and when we are done we have a “Life
Review” and then we get to graduate and go back home... " -- Mary W

"I was told that the earth is like a big school, a place where you can apply spiritual lessons
learned and test yourself, under pressure, to see if you can actually "live" what you already
know you should do." -- Jean R

Marc : The light told NDErs they had a MISSION on Earth ?

Yes, near death experiencers often say they were told they had to go back to Earth because they
had a mission that they haven't fulfilled yet the vast majority -- maybe as much as 90 percent
in my opinion -- are never told what that mission is before they are sent back. Sometimes they
are told they will know when the time is right, or that they will receive help. It seems a little
dubious to me that we are sent back, often against our will, to do an undisclosed mission.

"The light told me without words that I still on a mission on earth, but without saying what it
was." -- Guillem BC

"This is when I was called, and returned to the blue place in which I started, where the Angel
Gabriel said to me: 'Miguel, you have to go back, there is a mission for you to accomplish' ".--
Miguel RP

Pascal C said, "I look back and see that entity, calm, faceless, with womanly ways, who tells me: “Wait, what
are you doing? You can’t decide yourself the time when you leave, you have a mission to
fulfill, no way they will let you leave that world this way. You have to go back and do what
you have to do.” “Never,” did I answer, “never shall I go back. And you won’t change my
mind, who are you to tell me what I have to do? What is this mission or purpose you are
talking about?” “Just follow me.” did she say insistently but with a softness to which the most
precious silk in this world does not compare..."But what mission are you talking about? I
don’t understand anything to what you are saying, I don’t want to go back there. This
loneliness is too deep and agonizing! You are going to answer, tell me what this mission is,
who you are, who am I?” A voice outmatching the meeting group instantly settled the matter,
no one would have even wanted or thought of whispering or sighing, “You’ll understand in
due time, no answer would content you. Let time act, be strong, don’t doubt and you will
know. Answers will be given in due time, it is up to you to capture them. Nothing is given for
free to the knowledge keys keeper.” -- end-quote

"The little that at this time I remember having understood included the following: ''Like all
other beings, you are living in order to accomplish a mission, and you are not doing this. You
must change you way of living, you are supposed to help many other beings, and you are not
doing so. You have to stop eating meat, as no one who eats meat can remain here.' " -- Marta Y

"She told me that my mission here upon the earth was not completed, and I would have to go
back she informed me. I protested and begged to stay where she was, but to no avail. She did
say I would be allowed to stay the next time I came there. Not that I could or would stay but
she used the word "allowed." Immediately after she had placed these things into my mind I
was sent back." -- Sylvia R

"The third time, I really didn't want to come back and then my Dad met me. He told me that he
didn't raise a quitter, and that I needed to go back - that I had a mission that most people
would never be given the opportunity to be blessed with. At the same time, on this side, I
heard a man that I loved dearly tell me "please don't leave me". I heard him as plain as day.
His voice was very clear. I chose to come back at that point." -- Pamela B

Marc : there seems to be a lot of NDES mentioning THE MOON during their experience ?

I'm not sure I would say there are a lot... maybe 35 out of over 4000 which is a little less
than 1 percent. And it's not usually mentioned in a prominent way. But some near death experiencers
did see the moon as part of their experience. The moon is mentoned more often in the context of
out of body experiences.

NDE: "Then all of the sudden, I was rapidly sucked into what I thought was this full moon. That
night the moon was a sliver, so this was 'the light' that NDErs talk about." -- Katie W

"I believed this was God, our creator of the universe, highest power. As I took a look around I
saw a bright light, it was the moon, the sun was reflecting light off the moon surface, we were
in space, equal distance to the moon on the right side. I do not think this was heavens final
destination, I think it was a greeting area to receive us when we cross over." -- Ron A

These next few experiences are from oberf.org which contains over 3000 out of body
"I was in the moon, and I went into a dark tunnel, like I was in a rock, a little larger than my
shoulders, I didn’t feel gravity anymore..." -- Luc D

"I'm out of my body" Turning back to see the moon not wanting to see my self for fear I
might go back and wanted to fully exploit the moment. I became *Aware that I was *Awake.
I could think clearly for the first time ever. As the moon got bigger I thought am I going to
float all the way to the moon?
Than what I can only describe as the "*Stargate experience" I was for the lack of a better
word *Flying through the galaxy. -- Joe W

"To the left of the moon started a procession of alien beings, seemingly coming from the
moon. They were dancing. Literally dancing as they floated down to earth. Instantly I began
to get information down loaded into my brain to remain calm, we were not under attack that
we were all friends and NOT to run or cause harm or mayhem. I was told that everyone else
in the world was receiving the exact same information at the exact same time. I didn't feel
panicked, I didn't feel scared, I was completely immersed in what was going on. Thousands
and Thousands of these beings were floating down to the ground around me. They looked like
human beings, although they all had dark hair and they were quite slender and taller then
humans. Each being had a aura of white around them. It was sparkling and almost made them
look a bit translucent. The beings kept coming, gliding down to earth. The music which had
been entering my ears was layered with sounds. It was encoded with additional information to
assist all of us in knowing this was part of a divine plan." -- Lori E, STE

Mague described her NDE on a forum:
"I had one 1980 :) Its not exactly a tunnel. Imagine you walk up the staircase from the cellar
and its absolutely dark. On top of the stairs is a door that is a tiny slit open. Through the slit
and the gaps around the door and the hinges the light is shining and creating the picture of a
tunnel. But its rather like an optical thing where the lightrays create the illusion of a tunnel. A
bit similar are pictures from eclipses. Its not a tube tunnel, its an eclipse"

Marc : many say the Moon is artificial, and a control tool for the matrix archons, is there a similar case with the SUN & NDEs ?

I think one could make a case for that. After all, the sun is what gives us our life here in the physical realm since
it provides the Earth with energy. Without the Sun we would not be living here on Earth so it is an enabler.
It is like a frequency generator throwing out gamma waves.

Could the intensely bright Light that NDErs are drawn to actually be the Sun? Before you
immediately dismiss that as a possibility consider that our souls do not look like our physical
bodies and resemble more like an egg of translucent light. Also, our Sun is actually white
light, but the intensity of its light and color can be diluted or changed due to the refraction of
the rays through the Earth's atmosphere. Also, consider the Light could be the essence or soul
of our Sun. A large number of near death experiencers do compare the light to the Sun. There
are quite a few near death experiencers who say that we do go to the sun.

"All of the sudden and I looked up. I saw light. Now, I don't know if it was the spiritual plane
or the sun." -- Marta M

"Then the light came. I was thrown straight into the middle of the Sun. Straight into the middle
of the warmest, most beautiful, most welcoming light, where I instantly felt that 'here I feel
good'. I was drawn to the ocean of light as a gigantic magnet, and drowned in light...
The Light was exactly like the center of the Sun." -- Maria TK

"I was being taken to a Sun behind our Sun, where dwells the Light of Alpha and Omega. It
was extremely painful, climbing this white ladder. But, when I finally reached the brilliant
white Light of that Sun, after about 18 hours of intense battling, I saw the brilliance of a God
unnamed." -- Jo D

Lynn M was asked, Did you see a light? Yes, Before I actually got out further into the
cosmos, I sensed going thru a massive light energy I think now it was our sun."

Here are a few I found at oberf.org which contains over 3000 out of body experiences or types
of experiences other than NDEs.
"Suddenly I came to a profound awareness that this sun was God! .... I believe that this
Sun/Intelligence/God wasn't a single Being, but is the center of all beings, that it is me, you
and perhaps all conscious beings." -- Christopher

"The higher I expand, the more ecstasy and warmth are registered by my consciousness. I am
struck with a question as to where I am being taken to... and a thought comes to me that I am
being pulled to the sun... not merely the surface sun, but the Sun behind the sun! Whoa, I
think... I am going to God!..." -- Jeffrey

This is a spiritually transformative experience from Christiane P:
"I'm watching... and suddenly I realize, that in front of me there is an immense sun, aspiring
my glass sphere. Impossible to avoid it ... I feel the irresistible attraction of this SUN...
I'm transmitting my fear to cease existing, that if our course is not taking another direction we
will be colliding with this SUN. ...
Then, I'm convinced, deeply convinced and I know that death doesn't exist. We continue the
journey towards the Sun, that is aspiring my bubble.
The Sun is approaching and when it's crossing my bubble, I'm enveloped in an orange-red
light, I see the fire at the surface of the SUN and this LIGHT is LOVE without a word,
without the possibility to describe its intensity, its strength, its power. " end-quote

STE of Kurt G: "I then proceeded to what appeared to be my residence...the center of a sun or some other great
ball of light. Inside was like a room with some type of screen for viewing events in my life
and every other life I've ever lived. From here I could view any past experience from any of
my millions of existences and actually relive the scenario at the same time and location of the
original event....
I then came to a place that seemed to be where souls were created. There were millions of
pods of light, almost egg-like, somewhat transparent and quite bright. Inside were two beings
or souls, as far as I could tell, and from underneath these orbs were beams of light shining
downward to nowhere in particular. It was much like the cone of light a flashlight might emit.
Occasionally from these orbs a smaller orb would appear and travel downward inside the
beam of light, off to an unknown location. I knew this to be new souls being born .." -- end quote

OBE, Scott T said, "Quite simply, while one is floating surrounded in the darkness and volume of
space, the NDE reports of 'seeking the light' or 'I followed the light' seemed as appropriate a
thing to try as any. So from space there is one very big light to draw your attention, the Sun.
Now technically the Sun is physically, a gravitational ball of rawing nuclear fusion of no
apparent intelligence, or it should be at least. The Sun is not just this though, it is such a thing
in it's physical appearance but it has a non-physical aspect as well. ...
From the orbital home point, 'cueing' the light will cause you to start to fly towards the
Sun/the light. From this non-physical limitation free perspective you rapidly exceed the speed
of the physical light, at which point something remarkable occurs. The Sun and the physics,
including time, of the physical universe recedes, the Sun becomes an enormous tunnel of
streaming light surrounded in nebulous clouds. ...
At the end of a biological life event, the non-physical intelligence 'packet' returns to the
source, via a streaming 'tunnel' of light, from which it originated. This 'tunnel' works like a
two way connection feed from the source to the multiverse, and is the same tunnel described
in the NDE events. These experiences also describe tunneling effects caused by super fast
velocities attained during the motion of passage to this source."

I received this in an email from GD:
"I broke through to the light...that loving and whole white light...its above the sun...its parent
of our sun...its name is Sirius....Instead, people are warshipping the Sun, which is a TAKER. I
believe SUN in Hell. And is wholly evil....it is the evil eye. Everything is inverted. Saturn is
just a huge ROUTER". -- GD

Marc : this is the part that will specifically resonate to the listeners who have been following me via the Project
Camelot or my UFO events : NDES & ALIENS ! E.T. beings have been mentioned quite often during NDES… I
have hosted a few contactees who have been NDErs as well : David Armstrong who became a healer, Cassandra
Vanzant a channeler, Rey Hernandez who became obsessed with NDES after his dog’s NDE & healing
experience by contact with a UFO, and several abductees’ cases I’ve studied, etc…


Yes, many of your listeners will be interested in this section on aliens.
I give many more examples in our first interview which are not NDEs but are better categorized
as alien abductions.

I found several dozen near death experiences which include aliens.... sometimes gray aliens,
other times worms or snakes. About a dozen actually mention the grey aliens that most people
have heard of. One thing to keep in mind are the similarities between NDEs and many alien
abduction accounts. I gave a few examples of this in the first interview. Prominent near death
researcher, Kenneth Ring, has written about the similarity between near death experiences and
alien abduction accounts. UFO researcher Raymond Fowler has as well.

"I was taken to special entities who looked like the usual grays, but they had lots of wrinkles
on their faces. They called themselves the Counsel, and said they were part of a group called
'soul recyclers' helping souls to re-incarnate." -- Ruth

"I found myself suddenly 'very high up' in a bright white room. There were several beings
....They were very white or 'chalky' looking. At first, I believed, from their color, that they
were possibly the 'gray aliens'." -- SJ

"After a few seconds I noticed a giant grey being descending at a 45 degree angle down
towards me. As it got closer it conveyed to me a feeling of love so strong that I could not only
sense it but FEEL it to. It was the strongest feeling of emotion I have ever felt even to this
day. Eventually it was face to face with me. It was probably the equivalent to being 7 or 8 feet
tall. It didn't really have any defining physical characteristics such as eyes, or a nose, or
mouth. But it did have an area that resembled a face. The light eventually surrounded us.
From the epicenter of this light came the smaller being. It floated down and got into position
behind me and out of sight. That's when the larger being said to me telepathically, 'There's
nothing we can do, you have to go back.' " -- Jon B

"I just knew how the universe worked, that God could have been an alien" -- Lynne H

"I was taken to see a worm working controls of big cylinders that had every animal and
peoples you could think of...and they were going down the cylinders from adults to
babies....Fish also....I remember seeing all kinds of fish....As I was walking towards the worm
I heard a voice say....you go back and be a better man..I was told by many the light was the
creator/god....and the worm was a angel giving rebirth.. " -- James N

"I met with 'beings' that looked a lot like the drawings that I have seen of 'aliens'..-- Suzanne B

"Immediately upon leaving my body there was darkness, then I saw several humans that were
floating, they told me not to go to the light. At the end of the tunnel was a man who asked
about the life review. I saw spirits, like shining lights of love, and I saw 12 beings that were
not human, they had large heads and large eyes, they had no mouths that I saw, or ears." --
Brian K

"Then I heard this sound, it was far off but at the same time it was inside my head. It sounded
like insects buzzing, and it was very annoying and irritating...I experienced the vibrations and
insect sounds again, but not the tunnel." -- Marney

This last NDE is not from NDERF.ORG, but was an NDE reported by a woman named
Shelley: "They took me to a room in the sky and I say “they” because there was six of them
there. There was 3 beings on the left and three beings on the right. They were dressed in
heavy robes. They probably were 8 feet high and I was very much aware that this was not
angels and it wasn’t the Mother Mary and it wasn’t Jesus. These were extraterrestrial beings."

Marc : some SHAPE SHIFTING ARCHONS are described during NDES ?

Well, the light beings are able shape shift in some of the NDEs. Whether they are are-cons I
guess remains to be determined, but I have called them that.

Archons is the name the Gnostics gave to the false rulers of our reality. I believe Archons are
shape shifting entities. Could these be examples of NDEs with Archons? And, if so, are all
NDEs encounters with Archons? It's possible if they have access to the Akashic records that
they could simulate any person who has lived, appear as them, and thus convince a soul to go
back to Earth.

"There was a query as to what religious form the divine communicator should take. My answer
was Jesus Christ, and a part of the light formed into an image that made me feel
comfortable...an inquiry to me as to which religious symbolic form I wanted the presence to
appear in, a few options, then my image of Jesus Christ in a blue robe appeared." -- Andrew C

"So the thoughts came into my head: what kind of form or shape would make you most
comfortable. “What do you mean?” I thought back. Some require me to take the shape of a
wise old man, others a woman and still others an animal, all of different races, ages, sizes or
species. What about you? I thought without hesitation “Human.”. With that the light began to
simultaneously separate into amazing rays of color and intensify into a more solid form." --
Kathi B

Robert B said, "I saw the Light approach, I was enveloped by the light and an entity that was to prepare me
for what I call my Interview with a supreme being later in the Light. This first being appeared
to be the Virgin Mary. Only after asking, "Are you truly the Virgin Mary it instantly
manifested true identity. I was nearly paralyzed with fear until again asking "please, what is
happening to me what is going on here?"......

I was told that I was there for 7 years and that each person would see only what they could
understand when they came to her. Some would see her as Jesus some their fathers or moms
every imaginable deity as well." -- end-quote

"God has a male voice that was rather multi-dimensional, like surround sound. I don't think
God has a gender but God can choose how to appear to me." -- Nancy L

"They seek you as if they were a good spirit, but they are not, because when they arrive near
you they assume a shape that is frightening.... Tunnel without end, and in the distance it seems
to be a blue light calling you for the good, but when you accept death it controls you through
your eyes. When they are near you the tunnel becomes a sparkling red." -- Hugo HSR

"I examined the ditch carefully, then as I looked onto the other side of the ditch that's when
shapes started to take form. I saw these black creatures that could shape shift from small to
large and vice versa." -- Kiko M

This example is not from nderf.org, but is from Howard Storm's book, "My Descent into
They told him, "We can appear to you in human form if you wish, or in any form you want so
you will be comfortable with us.” “No, you’re more beautiful than anything I’ve ever seen.” -- end-quote

Marc : SHADOW BEINGS & SHADOW PEOPLE have been described in NDEs as well..

Yes, there are a fair number of near death experiences where shadowy figures or shadow beings
were seen. Some of these were the Grim Reaper. Others were hooded beings. Sometimes the
hooded beings wore robes like monks.

To said, "Before I was presented with the light/presence, I first went through a period of
seeing and feeling several strange shadows kind of wrapping themselves around me and over
me...suffocating almost..... for I suspected that these "shadow beings" may have meant that I
would not be able to go to God

An unseen force, in the form of a shadow, very powerfully and swiftly pulled me back
through blurred darkness to my body. " -- August

"As he performed his healing ritual I could see my cancer fighting him. They were these black
things that looked a lot like Squids with single sharp black fangs on the end of each tentacle.
He was pulling them out of my tissue. (Later on, he told me that they were this black greasy
substance.) ... Then, as days went by, I started noticing a dark shadowy thing down a lone
alley or tunnel. I didn't know what it was at first. Then, as it came closer, the more selfish I
felt. It was my Ego!" -- John K

"As I came to that conclusion, several hooded beings of an ethereal-looking faded sepia color
appeared. There were at least three or four of them on my left side and I believe the same
amount on my right... The beings stood around me, paused a bit, and then began to lift me up
into a tunnel of light." -- Trevor O

Marc : Do NDEs explain that REINCARNATION is a RECYCLING process OF SOULS?

I would imagine most NDErs would say that reincarnation is for the purpose of learning and evolving.
There are a few, however, who DO mention it as a recycling process.

Many near death experiencers do recall having living multiple lives. This concept ties into
reincarnation and the notion that we need to come here until we have learned enough lessons
to graduate. Of course, it could also be that entities are just feeding off our energy and
convincing us we need to come back.

"I was taken to special entities who looked like the usual grays, but they had lots of wrinkles
on their faces. They called themselves the Counsel, and said they were part of a group called
"soul recyclers" helping souls to re-incarnate." -- Ruth

"This experience just continued to help me follow my Hindu beliefs of reincarnation, all is
recycled-water, oxygen, nitrogen, and souls." -- Alok B

"I felt alive on so many levels, and like I was about to recycle sort of speak......"-- Pamela M

"I was aware that I had had lives previously and that there was sort of a script or outline of my
life telling me how long I was to live." -- Donna

"She believes we have many lives, that we're 'recycled' ". -- Rebecca M

Sandra J said, "I don't believe in god at all. but I do believe in an after life a recycled life..." end-quote

Marc : From NDErs’accounts, COMING BACK TO EARTH is something that’s forced upon them, against
their free will, right ?

At least half of the experiencers say they were forced to come back against their will. And
probably half of those who chose to come back were persuaded into choosing to do so after
seeing images of their loved ones needing them thus they have an attachment. The Light also
tells them they have a mission to perform first or even asks them to do it as a favor. In many
cases the spirit's thoughts are redirected to Earth and off they go.
Some examples:

"Up to this day I can't recall if after looking downwards the decision to return was completely
mine or forced to me by an inside voice that didn't belong ..." -- Rena P

"It was like being paroled from hell and then being forced to return." -- Barbara G

"It was not my choice/I was forced to go back/I did not want to/It was made by that main light
source." -- Geraldine

"They asked me if I wanted to stay with them or if I wanted to come back to Earth?... Because
everything there was so overwhelmingly wonderful and beautiful, I asked to stay with them. It
wasn't until years later, after I realized what happened to me had a name, "Near-DeathExperience",
and that what happened to me was REAL, not a dream, that I remembered then
that they "sent" me back, against my will. Then I was really MAD! Why did they make me
come back, when I wanted to stay?? I felt controlled. Why did they ask me, if the decision
wasn't really mine?? OOOOO I was so MAD!!!" -- Steven R

Notice in this account of Miguel RP how many different tactics and forms are used to convince the NDEr to
come back to Earth:
"This is when I was called, and returned to the blue place in which I started, where the Angel
Gabriel said to me: "Miguel, you have to go back, there is a mission for you to accomplish". I
said to him: "No, brother, I'm not going back, I'm here now and I'm not about to move from
here, I'm not leaving". He said, "You have a wife and children". I replied that I did not
remember them, and he made a gesture with his hand, and a seated woman appeared, on a
kind of white chair, praying and weeping, holding my diary in her hands. I drew near, saw her
and said to the Angel: "Now I remember her, she is my wife". He asked me if I wanted to see
my children, and I said yes. With another gesture of the hands he took me to a really poor
district, with unpaved streets and mud. I was taken near a bus-stop, where there were grey
concret storm-drains. We came to a house under construction, or unfinished. The floor was of
earth, the walls had no covering (without any finish), the bath also half finished and on the
patio there were two children playing, covered in mud. Following another gesture, I
approached them and could see that yes, I recognized them, they were my children. The angel
said, "You have to go back", to which I replied, "No way, now that I'm here, I'm not going
back there". I said, "What if the next time I don't end up in this place, better to stay for good,
no point getting here if I'm going to leave". At this moment I heard a strong, loud voice,
speaking in a very special way, with love, affection but also with authority, which said to me:
"Miguel, you must go back". I looked all around me, up, down, left and right, but no one had
spoken to me. Then I asked "Who is speaking to me?" And I again heard this voice saying to
me, "I am the true and faithful witness, you have to go back". I said, "Jesus?" and he
answered, "Yes, you must go back". I said, "I'm ready, Lord. Thy will be done". --- end-quote

This soul was told they were the only one that could do whatever it was that needed to be
"Why me?" I said... 'It' said to me with a sad reply, "Your the only one that I have found
strong enough to deal with this pain, You share the same feelings that I have felt, the feeling
of loneliness, the feeling of being not noticed, that's why I have chosen you, From here on out
you will never forget this moment, and others will never realize the true meaning to life, only
you will understand life and only you can hold my existence." -- Arifur R

Here is another person who was told that no else could do it what needed to be done:
"I asked and I said, 'I’d like to stay.' They said, 'Maybe another time, but not now. You have a
mission to do on the Earth and you must do it. No one else can do it but you.' I thought about
it and I said, 'Ok. I’ll do it.' My mission is basically to share my story down here on the Earth,
to tell everybody that they are love too" -- Steven L

This person was asked if they would come back as a favor:
"He asked me if I would do favor for them by carrying on the Energy work I had been doing. I
agreed." -- Carmel B

"He told me:'' I want you to go back on earth; there is something I want you to do, after you
will finish it you will come back here in heaven and live here forever.'' I said: No, I want to
stay here.'' He said, No'', just go back, I said NO'' I want to stay here, till He spoke in a cool
voice and convinced me to go back on earth." -- Mukurarinda

Sometimes flattery is used and they are told they have a very important mission:
"I didn't seem to fully understand what she was telling me. But, I enjoyed the loving feeling
she was giving me. I seem to be decoding and understanding what she told me more as time
goes by. I will try to put into words what she told me. She told me that I was very special. She
told me that I had a very important task to fulfill in this life. She said I would go through some
hard and difficult lessons but that I would come out OK." -- Michael D

Marc : in NDEs, they talk about JUDGMENT & COUNCIL OF BEINGS.. just like on Earth they’re being
judged ?

Well, the vast majority of NDErs say they judge themselves. This is because of the life review
where no judgment is given.

Some do, however, say they were judged by God or a council so
there is a contradiction. Almost all NDErs say we have free will too, but many say they were
sent back to earth against their will (not their time yet, mission to fulfill, etc).... so which is it?
Keep in mind most the ones who say we judge ourselves were still persuaded to come back
for the same reasons. They are also sometimes told they have more to learn and so they must
come back. Isn't that a judgment? This also coincides with the in between lives research of
hypnotherapists such as Michael Newton and Dolores Cannon who found that there is a
Council which eventually convinces souls of the need to come back to Earth. At any rate, here
are some near death experiencers who said they were judged.

"There was a royal figure who decided, without my consent, if I could stay with them or not." --
Philip S

"God judges us all...God chooses where we go. I had no choice in the matter I was sent back." --
Patrice P

"I moved so that I could quickly get to the light. But before I made to the door one of the
sentinels grabbed me and held me fast. The doors closed. Next I found myself in some kind of
courtroom. Before me sat an unbelievably stern all-powerful yet very kind judge. Absolutely
The judge thought for a while and said: But you have a mission. ...... I did not want to return
to the hell that is the reality of being on earth. But the judge determined in his objective way:
You must go back!" -- Attila P

"Then came a judgment of sorts, where I was judged on the things I had done and the things I
would do in my future life. This upset me as I felt it was mean to punish or judge me for
things I hadn't done yet. I wasn't judged on big things, more small instances of intent.... Then I
was told that I had to go back, which didn't make me happy at all as I knew that being alive
would hurt. Every aspect of living would hurt. The thought of going back into a wet
disgusting body repulsed me, I couldn't believe I had to wear my body again, as it felt like
wearing an old disgusting coat that belonged to someone else." -- Gail A

"Than all of a sudden a bright light appeared and I looked up towards it. In the midst of this
light there was a man smiling towards me. He appeared to be in front of a golden judge's
bench that was huge." -- Kiko M

"I think I am still stuck in the life review part sometimes.....I need to forgive myself and move
on. My Grandfather was my judge in the experience and he told me to come back and honor
my father." -- George W

"To my right were wooden stages, like those in a courtroom in the movies....the first had a grey
face, the second looked normal, but the third was a luminous entity, I knew it was a person,
but without the form of a person; it was a light, and changed shape continuously. I deduced
that they were judging me.... The person seated between the other two, on my right, struck the
table with a gavel, while holding up some papers in the other hand. Then he said my name,
and: «He is condemned to go on living»." -- David G

"At that moment, I have the feeling to be in a court of justice, but instead of our dull judges,
nameless, faceless, genderless, light beings are just there around me." -- Pascal C

"Next thing I knew, I was standing in front of a council of 13 beings with the One in the
middle twice as big as the 6 on either side of him. They were all sitting in chairs, big chairs at
a sizeable distance in front of me. I was naked and felt totally revealed and tried to use my
hands to cover myself up...The questions they were asking me were about my life and how I
had lived it. I got the feeling they were not pleased with me. I was terrified to say the least,
exposed to the hilt. I knew they knew it all. Towards the end of the deal, he told me they were
not going to let me remember most of what happened. And they had decided they were going
to send me back because, "You have to get it right". "-- Debra J

"However several questions were asked by the members of the Council asking me if I agreed
to fulfill a promise of unknown nature they would allow me to return to this world....Closer to
what was said would be that one day I would be granted the ability to do something great." --
Michael F

"Behind me was a very tall Angel who told me his name was Metatron... Metatron was my
spiritual teacher. He explained in quite a bit of detail how mistakes can happen in a death...
While this was happening, the Masters and Angels stayed outside of it and guided me. The
Masters who had me as their task had to get divine permission from the council of 7 to
intervene and alter my experience, when they considered that perhaps there was more they
could do with me than just keep me on the other side and not allow me to return...We had to
go to the council meeting. I was allowed to be in the room, but not allowed to speak or
interfere in any way....They turned to me and told me that if I would agree to take on this new
contract... but my healing would be greatly aided and accelerated through them if I would
agree to the terms.' " -- Marie W

"... This council was led by my grand-father. There I was shown my past life, I had access to
the purpose of my life. This council was organized only with the goal to come back to earth,
.... Then they started to show me the life of my children without me and they showed me the
life that I would be living when coming back to earth; my children would be happier,." --
Frederic M

Marc ; It seems like you just described the false guides and artificial councils, various
ascended masters or real fallen angels, NDES show us there are SOUL CONTRACTS as well ?

Yes, soul contracts are a huge deal for the Archons. They have no real power over us if we are
Sovereign beings. They would need to convince us and have us agree to come back. When
this occurs, soul contracts are made. These should be null and void at death and they would
need to convince us to agreeing to a new contract. As Sovereign beings we may even be able
to dissolve the contract here and now as not binding since it was created with lies and

"We ask to be born and we enter into a contract. We come to earth with a purpose." -- Chantal L

Rachel E: "Yes, life can only exist if there is death. Without death, there can be no life. So, we
enter a contract with G*d. And the terms and conditions include difficulties, challenges and
definite hardships. That is the experience we all signed up for."

"I was made aware that there were things that I had contracted to do, that were still
undone...confirmation to me of reincarnation and contract-incarnation" -- Matt S

"Imagine if you were a computer programmer and they have statements called IF-THENELSE
statements. Imagine that if there's this one plan that he showed you and if you do ALL
of THIS, everything you dream of will come true and it will be more or less painless and
you'll walk through life and you'll be, you know, the savior of the world and yet you get to be
the hero, you know. No percentages, but what I saw was there were branches that went off to
either side. IF 'this' happens, THEN 'this' happens. and the IF and THEN and THEN and
THEN and THEN and THEN and THEN.... Yeah, but I was looking at the THENs. I'm gonna
do the THENs and then everything's gonna work out great." -- NDEr Who Experienced a

Marc : NDES show us some scenes from HELL?

I have heard as many as one out of every seven near death experiences contain negative
imagery or Hellish depictions. When searching for "hell" on NDERF I only found about one
percent who saw something which resembled Hell and they themselves were not being
punished. The spirits there could leave anytime they wanted. It was more a prison of their

" the LIGHT told me many things which I choose not to talk of. but I was told there is no hell
. hell is a lack of harmony heaven is harmony. "-- Nicholas P

"What emotions did you experience following your experience? Hell!!!! I thought god hated
me or else it wouldn't have happened and the showing me my future was just part of some
sick cruel game he was playing with me" -- Lorraine I

"At last, light is seen ahead. It is not the light of heaven, it is the lure of hell." -- Private

"The first doorway I peered into resembled a classic Hell. There was the sound of shrieking
and agonizing screams...
Most of me wanted to leave so I had no difficulty and my feeling was that anyone could leave
if they wished. I felt that no one or nothing had put those people in captivity except their
belief in the agony they continued to suffer"-- Sarah

"She laughed and told me there is no hell! We are all equal in spirit form." -- Karin F

Marc : NDES show us a HYPNOTIC spell and technology, a TRANCE state and some overwhelming induced euphoria ?
Isn’t that the classic Stockholm syndrome ?

Yes, there are some NDEs which menton the hypnotic allure of the tunnel or eyes of the beings. It
could be as if we are put under some sort of spell or trance.

And there is also the possibility of the
Stokholm Syndrome where captors fall in love with their captors. Here are a few mentioning a
hypnotic trance.

A roaring noise began to escalate and within an instant, I became aware of an intense bright
"Light off in the distance and I turned my focus toward its captivating dance. The Light’s
prism of energy and illumination began to spiral and grow and I immediately put forth all my
senses into its hypnotic allure. I began to feel the most utterly peaceful, loving sensation and I
yearned to move toward and inhabit this Light and the love it emanated." -- Peg A

"The pull of this light is so captivating and overwhelming that I have no choice but to
completely surrender to it. It reminded me of shimmering liquid mercury...The attraction I
feel towards this light fills me with total awe." -- Michael F

"I was watching those eyes and I could hear people talk but it was as if in a trance gazing at
that elderly man." -- Cristina

"The light was hypnotic, persuading you to enter but the feeling of love felt stronger". -- Nora's

"The one in the center had a hypnotic pull with his eyes, he was mocking me for something.
Like I had lost a bet with him." -- Tina


The euphoria that is felt is similar to the feeling of euphoria that some drugs here can induce.

"Perhaps it was a euphoric trance of some kind. It was as if a Spirit had consumed my whole
being." -- Gene J

"a feeling of liberation opposite the death, or even a feeling of invulnerability. At the time, one
has the impression a little intoxicating to have won a fight against the grim reaper. Nothing
else on earth can get to you. A feeling like a light euphoria." -- David W

"I'm sure some sort of deal was forged that day, but instantaneously I was overcome with a
euphoric feeling of what I can only describe as complete contentment." -- Joe D

Marc : Do NDES reveal to us the TRICKS, TRAPS & « ANOMA-LIES » inside the false « projection » of the
afterlife ?

I think there are some cases which do reveal some of the tricks,
traps and anomolies.

Here are a few cases which do:

"At last, light is seen ahead. It is not the light of heaven, it is the lure of hell." -- Private

Did you see a light? No Describe: beyond that- that's a false "projection" THEN I WAS

"The only thing that puts any doubt into my mind is that possibility that Satan can simulate the
love of god and lure people into deception (that's what people say anyway). so yeah i was in
two minds about it for awhile" -- Skeeter

"There was a blue sky and some clouds, floating and moving slowly in the sky that seemed
quite low, and that seemed above all false, as if hiding something. I had the sensation that this
place was used as a place of welcome for children or young people and that this environment
had been build to reassure and appease them." -- Nolwenn

"He was thinking, "This must be Heaven and I'm here because I've tried to be good to people.
But then he started moving faster until the meadow was left behind him in a blur.....He found
himself out in the middle of the boulders floating over a great expanse of blackness
below...Then he knew that he had been tricked by Satan into thinking he was going to be in
Heaven." -- Glenda G

"Once again on the flower meadow I said, that I would love so-o-o much to stay in heaven, and
asked, if there wouldn't possibly exist a 'speedier process' for me? Andreas promised to let me
eventually decide myself. Of course, I knew that it was a trick. He would only let me decide
when it would be clear that I wanted to remain on earth. But, nevertheless, it comforted me." --
Franziska R

"The Light has played a devious trick on me. The Light allowed me to expand and become one
with the universe, and then rammed me back into my frail, earthly body. At the time, it
seemed like a very cruel experience to put me through. I was very angry at the Light." --
Andrew P

"Suddenly I realized that the bright sun in front of me was the shiny moon and that the red sun
had the moon safely under control making in fact one sun. This was the message that the sun
had wanted to get across. Then the being of light wanted to talk to me on a man-to-man basis.
He placed me on top of a high mountain where I had to sit on a large piece of rock. I asked
him why he had wanted to destroy me, and he told me that there existed also evil but very
powerful and cunning beings who were his enemies with whom he had been constantly
fighting. He also told me that I had to warn my world against them, and I automatically
nodded in agreement. He said that his enemies had wanted to play a trick on him by using me
as a kind of trap, but he had to defend this world and the black one." -- Guenter W

"Experience was probably real I do not know if it was real or it was just a construct of my
brain to ease me into death and it could be an illusion or a trap." -- Kyal L

"I initially believed that during this experience, I had been in the presence of God. But over the
years I had some real struggles, wondering about which being – God or Satan – had been its
source. I cannot prove which one it was, but I do tend to believe that in this case, it was God" -
- R.A

"Religions teach of a false god that is not the true God of the afterlife, but probably a demonic
entity in itself, who they pose as the true God...
THIS IS NOT GOD! This is the description of fear and darkness. God is not a demanding
blood thirsty bi-polar control freak bent on balancing some 'sin balance sheet'. Pressure does
not originate from him. Pressure is fear based which originates from darkness. God is
supreme and not a petty spy. He isn't a vigilant behavioral scientist accountant or a karma
thought police with a penchant for revenge tantrums. And he is not represented by the twofaced
liar strutting around a church-house. What a racquet. Could you imagine having this
advantage in your personal life? If you don't do things my way, that means you're overtaken
by a demon, and you risk the wrath of an angry god who may then allow the Devil to give you
cancer...even though He wishes He didn't have to allow it, He simply has no choice, you
forced His hand! How convenient for our rulers. Talk about a tormenting trap. This is spiritual
enslavement, that forces one to live in an altered state of consciousness, as well as a spiritual
cesspool of confusion." -- Paul

"I looked up at my benefactors and found that they were dressed in Black gowns and had a
screen over there faces which if you looked closely at had a mirror like substance that
reflected your own image back at you." -- James S

"St. Gabriel was telling St. Peter that I had not read The Gospel of Mark yet. St. Gabriel was
holding a huge open book I assumed to be a Bible and they looked at it. It seemed as if
Gabriel was convincing Peter I could not enter heaven yet." -- Trish R

"My whole soul or being was immersed in this love. He lifted me up and gave me a kiss on
my mouth. This being of light loved me deeply, infinitely deeply, and more and more
intensively. I was happy! I could have stayed in this beam of love forever. ....Gradually the
loving became weaker and I felt that something was wrong with me - something that made it
very difficult for the light to continue with his love. He was trying not to tell me why. Finally,
however, he was not able to keep it up any longer and he quickly said:" You have a smelly
breath" and "You need a bath." I received the impression that I would have to take a bath
similar to that I was used to on Earth, but by dipping the whole body....."I thought to myself:”
This scoundrel of a voice! He has betrayed me by forcing me into this world. There is no way
back! This is final! " -- Guenter W

Marc : NDEs testify and reveal the CONTRADICTIONS OR INCONSISTENCIES ; which ones ?

There are some noticeable contradictions in the overall body of NDE reports.

Some say Jesus had blue eyes, others brown and one said he had green eyes. Some say he had
blonde hair, others white.
One person said Jesus showed her the wounds in his hands while another person said they
learned Jesus did not die on the cross... and others said he did.
Some say Jesus and God are the same personage while others said no.
Some say there is no hell or evil while others were shown hell and evil and say they know it
The vast majority say we judge ourselves while others were clearly judged by God or a
Council of Beings -- in courtrooms.
One person said they knew or learned there is no reincarnation while many others learned of
multiple lives they had lived.
Most say we have free will yet many were literally forced to come back to Earth against their
will. Others were shown specific events in the future of the Earth or their own lives. One said
he was shown what would happen to his family members if he chose to come back and also
what would happen if he chose not to come back. If the future is known do we really have
total free will?

Edie F: "But when I got to the round circle at the end of the tunnel where I would have entered
into the light, I got a big surprise. Standing in the circle with legs apart and arms reaching out
toward me was a very bright multi-colored figure, almost like a cartoon character and similar
to the Joker on a deck of playing cards, but with a big smile that for some reason was more
comforting and gentle than scary. He gently caught me in his arms and said to me, "Back to
the womb," as he turned me around and gently tossed me back down the tunnel." end-quote

Another fascinating experience was reported by Gary who saw lots of technology in the place
he went to and that when he saw the movie The Matrix he had to get up and leave because it
was so eerily reminiscent of his NDE. He writes, "People should be studying NDE's and
finding out why we're trapped in these inferior bodies." On his form he was asked the
question "What could a national organization with an interest in near death experience (NDE)
do that would be of interest to you?" He pleaded, "Find out what is happening."

Finally, this NDE is the anomoly of all anomolies. Fred B had a series of NDEs while using
ketamine. Each time he was able to see further into the experience until he was able to see
through the illusion and realized he was sitting in a moving chair and part of a cinema or
theatre production being cheered on. And beings were calling him a 'cheater' for using his
"In the 7+ experiences, I would come back to the same dark room but I would be wheeled
down the spiral corridor. There would be no humming or cheering. I would be sent down in a
backstage area where people (staff, employees?) would be ushering my body in an open
space. I would hear the words 'cheater' being pronounced by some of them.
The sixth and final phase would then happen. I would be welcomed as a hero in the middle of
a giant open-air stadium with approx 90 000 spectators. Loud music would be playing while I
was wheeled on stage. I remember then feeling totally immerse in the experience, as if my
body on Earth didn't exist anymore. People that I knew on Earth: parents, friends, coworkers,
would be waiting for me on stage. They would all be happy to see me again." end-quote

Marc : NDEs show us that consciousness is CREATING REALITY, is that the key to our freedom and free will ?

The near death experience does seem to be driven by consciousness and the realization of that
free will is the key to our freedom because many are not using that power and instead are relying on an external source
to dictate to them their reality.
Some NDErs were indeed able to manifest or create their own reality, but it seems once one has gone
through the tunnel and to the Light that ability has been surrendered or greatly diminished.

"As I was being shown how to manifest anything I wanted and that it would be instantly
granted, I thought of a piece of my mother's chocolate cake. Instantly, my mom was there
with me in heaven handing me a piece of her, heavenly chocolate cake." -- Duane S

"I could move effortlessly…and adapt to any environment I happened to be in at any given
moment. I would simply think about something and it would instantly manifest…or I’d think
about a place and there I’d be! Oh, what a sensation to experience such power—to be
anywhere I wanted to be and to create anything I wanted to…and to feel so totally free!" --
Juliet N

"A voice sounded, 'You create the world that you know. You have been given the most
wonderful gift; the ability to project your self outwards into physical form.' "-- Malla

"I heard words in different orders, thoughts became imaginings and imaginings became
manifestations. I used the things he or it gave me in that place and they were things most
forget to use when they are bound. I was only a mind in that world, but a mind that could
manifest desire....
I saw that we have created false truths and realities because we loathe what we think is the
truth. We have nearly, if not completely, ruined our lives, hearts, minds, and souls to keep
feeding the illusions. We keep this false love and realty alive, just to do it." -- Scott W

"... I realized that we all constantly manifest what we call physical reality just by virtue of our
thoughts, and that the only reason we are fooled into believing it is real is because of the
limitations of human senses...
So I experimented with consciously manifesting some more to test its truth. I proved to
myself that we do indeed have the ability to manifest what humans perceive to be physical
reality by focusing our attention and intention on doing so...." -- Nanci D

"What your soul desired to see, was filled at that very moment. Everything that your soul
needed was met before it could be asked." -- Mark H

"As my orientation went on, they explained how on that celestial side of the veil, anything we
desire is instantaneously provided. We just need to feel the desire." -- Duane S

"I understood that thoughts create form." -- Lori E

"I was in physical reality because it is time for the physical being to mature and accept their
responsibility for their creation and to realize that they create their reality." -- Patsy D

"We are 'confronted' by everything that we create. We are that powerful! I was shown that I am
not yet fully able to control my negative emotions in a reality where ultimately everything
happens in an instant. So, I was sent back to continue my learning." -- Malla

"I did not understand why my thoughts would manifest afterwards. Everything I would think of
would appear and it concerned me so I made a promise to myself that I would keep positive
thoughts and images because I learned that our thoughts are powerful either negative or
positive." -- Jenneane E

"The way I just described it may sound like non-existence to some, but it is the only true
existence of grand and unspeakable peace, security, and understanding. The ego’s perception
of the world is a collectively reinforced illusion. To be without want or desire is not nonexistence.
It’s a state in which all our wants and desires are fulfilled." -- Ron K

Marc : Coming back from NDES, what is being mentioned regarding FREQUENCY & ASCENSION, about this drop in Consciousness and
cosmic amnesia ?

Essentially, everything is energy which consists of higher and lower octaves of vibration or
frequency. This can verified by the fact NDErs have trouble with electronics when they return
to Earth. This is an indication that the soul's frequency increases in the astral realm as
opposed to the lower density of the physical body on Earth. The spirits trapped here on Earth
have had their frequencies lowered tremendously. This results in a drop in Consciousness and
awareness, a cosmic amnesia.

"We're at a different frequency when we're out of our body." -- Rebecca M

"The spirit had a vibratory vibration to it, which changed in its frequency." -- Barry L

"Spirit is within a realm that moves much faster than the physical plane, and is set to a much
higher frequency, vibration, and is of much higher fidelit". -- Gregg S

"I would conclude our spirits resonate at a higher frequency." -- Joseph C

"I don't feel like I am the one controlling me entirely anymore. A frequency was put into me, a
resonance, and I can't help but vibrate at that resonance now... There is a tremendous amount
of pain associated with feeling and hearing these frequencies as well because there are man
made frequency generators that compete and interfere (on purpose) with the frequencies of the
creator." -- Scot W

"God was "the mind", or "the order" in all things. The Supreme Highest Vibration and
Frequency, an essence --- around and in everything --- all that is beautiful and peaceful and
One, and all that is good." -- Amy

"In each new lifetime, as the soul makes spiritual progress, its vibrational frequency gets tuned
to a faster, higher and finer level, depending upon its degree of evolution. The transformation
continues until the frequency level is fine-tuned to such a degree that it connects with the
frequency of the Cosmos itself, which then allows it to gain entry into Cosmic Consciousness,
one’s true self, which is eternal bliss, ananda." -- Mira S

"started ascending. It seemed to be the most natural thing to ascend...."-- Rachel

"I was told we all go back many times, until we have learned what is needed to ascend to a
higher state of being." -- Rob D

"They told me that I had earned the right to ascend." -- Marie W

"I was sort of giddy with the knowledge that death was so easy and pleasant. That's how I was
feeling at that time, that it was just a matter of floating away." -- George E

"When we die we become part of the matter of the universe and ascend into a higher state of
consciousness" -- Hannah

Here is David's NDE where he toured seven planes of "heaven". This should give you an idea
that there are higher planes than that first white light and your goal is to go to the highest one
"In each ascending Heaven, the Glory of these qualities in the light, multiplied another million
times. It is inconceivable how bright and beautiful life is in these heavens to any mind alone,
separate from this light. I was taken to the point where the Ecstasy and Love were so
overwhelming; I could barely stand the levels of cosmic energy and Ecstasy any longer....
I was then taken into the Seventh heaven, and what happens there is so far beyond my
abilities, God brought me down. I only lasted ten seconds in the Seventh Heaven...
To think that in each of these higher heavens the Light and Glory of Innocence, Love,
Ecstasy, Peace, Power, Beauty, Grace and Wisdom multiplies a million times over the
preceding heaven, makes it so difficult to pass through and live in." -- David

Teri R said, "I also came to an understanding that heaven isn't a place you are admitted to but it is a
frequency that you attain. Being in the presence of White Light was "heaven." It was more
than the greatest feeling I had ever experienced or dreamed was possible.... Therefore I knew
that although it wasn't intended as punishment, I couldn't maintain that frequency that was
allowing me to feel the bliss temporarily. I knew that somehow, I had to raise my vibration
and become more loving in order to experience this indescribably love on a permanent basis...
Now my goal has become to feel nothing but unconditional love all the time. I still have to do
a little work to shift my frequency to love where I can feel the warmth of it in my heart on
many occasions but I do eventually get there. So now I work on getting there quicker and
staying there longer without being pulled into the energy that creates the challenges of
everyday life." end-quote

Marc : Do NDEs teach us that our Ego’s ATTACHMENTS to the material world is pushing us to return to Earth ?

Yes, NDErs who are in the state of orgasmic bliss feel as if they could stay there for a million
years, but sometimes are drawn back because of their attachments to the physical plane, usually
a relative or loved one.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead says, "First of all there will appear to you, swifter than lightning, the luminous splendor of the
colorless light of Emptiness, and that will surround you on all sides. ...Try to submerge
yourself in that light, giving up all belief in a separate self, all attachment to your illusory ego." end-quote


"But at the same time, something was calling me back – someone was feeling fearful emotions.
I didn't realize that these feelings were coming from me, from my own human feelings of
attachment. But the light informed me that, in fact, the fear and the attachment to the world
were mine." -- Anna L

"some humans are so attached to their physical and material world that they are still worry
about their money, possessions. or power even after death. They don’t notice their guide and
might not even notice that they are dead! Their soul can stay earth-bound for a long time after
their death. ....I got this understanding that any strong earthbound attachment can keep our
souls from soaring." -- Mohammad Z

"All of the knowledge that I had gained, along with all of the emotional energies and
attachments that I had accumulated over my life span, both positive and negative remained
with me and they kept me tied to this world." -- Steve B

"I feel that the ego gradually stretches, that the ties to this ego, with its memory, its desires, its
expectations, just naturally vanish…" -- Mathilde M

"I thought briefly of everything and everyone I was leaving behind, but had no worries, care or
attachment to them anymore. I was in total bliss and awe that I was still alive but in another
place!" -- Shannon T

"Coming back feels like a rebirth, but now everything is different. Much of what once mattered
to me now does not make sense, both, topics of interest and relationships with certain people
who were almost indispensable to me and with whom I had an attachment bond. Now I feel it
no longer makes sense to even miss such relationships or such topics. What I experienced in
the light of the cloud in the NDE is an absolute value to which everything else is worthless...
That all human suffering in life is caused by attachments. - That the main challenge that
everyone has is to take care of oneself... I maintain my relationships naturally, without
needing to attach to any loved one. I behave in a more comprehensive, serene and
compassionate way with people with whom I interact." -- Ricardo AH

Marc : the most inportant part is your conclusions and what we learned from NDEs experiences. Are we in a
gigantic soul farm being harvested, why don’t we learn from our past, suffering and hardship, are we here to feed
a collective energy, predators ?

What conclusions can we draw from this phenomenon known as the near death experience?

First, there are NDEs that support te notion that we do indeed live in a holographic matrix and that
this life here on Earth is an illusion or dreamlike. There are a few dozen who got the impression that
life is a game or a form of entertainment.
Earth is said to be a school where we keep coming back until we have learned all our lessons. But we
don't even remember this fact while here which seems counterproductive. You would think we would
at least be able to remember that we are in school to learn and not have our complete memory wiped. And at school
we get constant feedback on how we are doing with exams and grades....we know whether we are passing
a course or not, and were we stand. As I mentoned
earlier we have seven billion souls on the planet now. We have presumably been reincarnating
here for thousands of years. How many lives does it take a COLLECTIVE to learn,
especially a COLLECTIVE is that is supposed to be God? NDErs claim they know
everything or have access to all knowledge while in the Light yet say we are here
on earth to learn. Why would we need to come to Earth to learn if knowledge is so
readily available there? And we still haven't learned enough about love? And then it is
implied that the learning never ends and we move on to new planets and star systems. Seems
like God could think of a better, more efficient system for learning with less suffering and

Many do not want to come back, but are sent back against their will. That doesn't
sound so loving to me -- making somebody do something against their own free
I don't see the need for a system where creatures literally have to feed off each other just to
survive. This seems very barbaric to me and may just give an insight into what's reslly going on
even at the astral level. About one percent of the experiences mention seeing aliens, including the
grey aliens seen in abduction experiences. The similarities to the abduction phenomenon is a
cause for concern as the conclusion of many prominent researchers in that field is that is they do not have our
best interests in mind and that they are indeed harvesting our souls for energy.

I think given the evidence that we can manifest our reality with our consciousness then we
should not need to rely on any external light seen at death. After all, we are light ourselves. If
everything is energy, a continuum of frequency, and there are realms or dimensions far
beyond the white light then we should set our intentions on raising our frequency and
ascending to the highest frequency. Since frequency is a wavelength we would actually be
going within ourselves. We do not need to even take any form at all and can exist as pure
awareness or energy.

When we die we can create our own reality and can travel by thought or intent. Unfortunately,
other entities may try to usurp our Sovereignty or free will, and trick us into doing their will
and willingly give them our energy. They are nothing more than holograms that are external
projections from our own divine light that is inside us. There are entities who will pretend to
be family or angelic beings. In my opinion they should be ignored as their only purpose is to
get the soul to eventually reincarnate yet again to be a source of food. We can raise the
vibrational level of our soul which is light. Just keep increasing the vibration of your Spirit as
much as you possibly can by using your focused willful intent and you will ascend in
frequency and travel inward back to the source of that divine light in the Eternal Light Realm.
This means ignoring any distractions that try to lure you to a light, or an attractive being
whether angel or family member, etc. You will eventually arrive at what the Gnostics call the
Eternal Light Realms or the Height of Heights, the Light of Lights. This should be our Spirit's
natural, original state, but just keep increasing your Spirit's vibration or frequency until you
arrive at the Highest Frequency which may manifest as the purest Light, the Absolute Truth,
and Unconditional Love.


I would really like to hear from people about their experiences, whether they believe we are
learning and growing here through suffering, whether they believe our Spirit and God is
evolving... whether or not our Spirits are Sovereign.
My email address is waynejbush@gmail.com... that's w-a-y-n-e... the letter 'J'... b-u-s-h @
Thanks for having me on your show, Marc... I really appreciate the opportunity.

Positive thoughts and higher frequency until we get home.