Wayne Bush - Adam Crabb's Podcast -- New Interview on Near Death Experiences-- December 2017

As you know, Adam, for most of my life I have been researching the meaning of life and what happens when we die.

Over a dozen years ago I created a web site, trickedbythelight.com, to share my findings. I'd like to say that I do not know for certain the Truth so each person should arrive at their own conclusions and not accept things that don't resonate within as Truth.

In summary, I postulated that life is a simulated virtual reality game that we dream. I believe we are characters in this cosmic movie or divine drama called Life. Every story or adventure needs drama and conflict to be an interesting experience. To provide the conflict it is necessary to have duality or polarity. This is the role of the adversary and his minions. Some have referred to this necessary evil as Satan and his minions as demons. the Gnostics referred to them as archons, a word which means 'rulers'. Unlike us, these programmed artificial intelligences (AI) have no real spirit and need the Light Power of our Spirit to feed off. As a result humans are farmed and harvested for our energy. We have fallen in frequency and subsequently operate at a low state of Consciousness, basically asleep. We need to awaken and remember our true nature as Spirits with a divine light inside.

I have always found near death experiences extremely interesting and very relevant to my research. These are people, some of whom actually died
and were rescusitated and revived by medical staff. I find their testimony reliable since many have been brought back to life after catching at least a glimpse
of what waits on the other side. Obviously, we can never know for sure what fully happens after death...
only those who remained dead know for sure. But consider that nearly all near death experiencers say the experience was not a dream and
that it was as real or more real than every day waking consciousness. Recently, with the availabiliy
of the internet, we now have access to a vast repository of near death experiences. Over 4000 near death experiences have been catalogued
on NDERF.org, the web site for the Near Death Experience Research Foundation.

With this new handy research tool available I have been able to verify virtually every aspect of the theories I published.

The topic of this interview is Near Death Experiences. We did a show on near death experiences last year in April so it's been over
a year and a half. Since then I have found some new quotes that are very interesting and I will share those today. Most of these quotes can be found on NDERF.org but there are also some I receive by email. In fact, I received a really interesting one a couple weeks ago from Guinevere so I will be sharing some of what she had to say as well. She sent her NDE to NDERF but they did not publish it. Another I received from Stephanie who experienced what she called an "archon". NDERF only published her experience on the OBERF.org web site. And then there is the man I interviewed who met a Demiurge. His testimony is marginilized at the local IANDS group.

Keep in mind as I read these quotes that not all near death experiencers experience all facets such as the tunnel, the light, the life review, etc. In fact, most don't but a significant percentage do. I will note the commonalities of NDEs, but
will try to focus on the anomalies or some of the more problematic experiences. I have identified around 50 interesting categories. I
will present a few quotes from each category but keep in mind there are typically at least two
or three dozen or more quotes for each category which all can be found on my website on the
page on the Light.

The Cosmic Game of Life or Divine Drama

I personally feel that we are eternal spirits and might get easily bored being able to manifest
whatever we like whenever we want so I have a feeling we created an environment where we
purposively limited ourselves as a challenge or game. I'd like to present a few quotes from
near death experiencers who came back with the distinct impression that life on earth is a
game or some form of entertainment.

Guinevere (email): " Souls do not sleep. They live in a place of No Time, No Space. They LOVE computer Games! I mean LOVE them! Some part of Ourselves is up there, jacking us around like Avatars......

My understanding is Yahweh is the Principal of the School and Developer of the Game. There are many, many Souls who can design planets, even worlds...

"Your Soul Being could be Negative or Positive Polarity, (or anywhere in between) playing a role for either ”side.” This is also called a “Polarity Integration Game” and trust me, the Dark Side does NOT like Souls who switch Polarity...

"Marduk really/is was the Lord of Magic. He is amazing at it. He can be a lot of Light, but this does NOT compare to The Light of the Source you speak of.

HE’s allowed to do his schtick - it’s a challenge to Souls - they need his Satan’s Thespian Crew to play the bad guy roles. Not jesting! Souls are BORED. Sad, since there are Games all over the Universes they can play. The more challenging the Game, the more they think they accomplished something. Humans who learn to play the Game are even MORE fun for them."

Pamela K: "I realized that the entirety of my life had just been a game, like Monopoly, and 'Pam' was the equivalent of one of the game's playing pieces, like the shoe or the car! All the troubles and joys, the accomplishments and limitations that made up the story of my life were revealed to be mere dust - an illusion...

I realized that I had a choice to recognize and rest in this truth of who I really was and stay on the 'other side' or I could continue to re-enact the 'game' of being an imaginary personality... I'm more willing to let things go because I see them as part of the 'game' of life. "


Hafur: "Essentially, time does not exist, nor does space. They are illusions of our creative mind that plays a game of self-deception in the creation of events... It is like a game of consciousness that recognizes itself and recreates itself through each one of us, and at the same time, we are the 'point of nothingness' in which life becomes self-aware."

SJ: "I am more interested now in the theories that what we experience as our universe is something like a holographic projection, or something akin to a video game, or that we are souls operating in this plane, using atomic avatars."

Zac S: "Then I was shown a landscape that was in the farthest reaches of outer space, maybe somewhere outside the universe. It appeared as a cosmic game board between two opposing entities, Order and Chaos, Good and Evil, Male and Female, nature and industry. "

"...I have that instant recognition that this life is a gift and that we are all actors in this giant, universal, divine script." -- Kevin E

".... human beings do what they do because they are engrossed in their life and interactions happen because they are playing out a script and you cross their paths and become a character they need to complete a scene " -- Kathleen W

"It is our gift to experience, where we all play roles, and have the freedom to change the script at any time. "-- Mike M

"I could see life as though it were a game I had been playing, and how all the moves were just parts of the game." end-quote-- Brian T

HOLOGRAM / GRID / MATRIX we live in a virtual fractal holographic game, some
sort of computer program, a « real » matrix

Here are a few NDEs where this world was perceived to be a hologram or virtual reality simulation.

Kylie A: "The relatives were in two sets of holograms within the white light. White surrounded the Being too. "

Vanessa W: "The other world is black/void of color and there were planes, like grids. It was kind of like a triangle lying on its side, yet there wasn't a sharp point, but it did get narrower ahead of me. "

James H: "I understood how everything fit together and that everything is a whole. I could see a green grid made of light flowing under me."

Linda S: "The lights, a connection to the humans, which were glinting off the beings were so bright and expansive, they interconnected, forming a sort of light grid

Glenda G: "I was given ‘visions’ that explained to me how the universe works. I don’t have the vocabulary to verbally explain this, but I saw various planes crossing and intersecting. I was given the picture of a grid in my mind, with energy that was vibrating at different speeds. "

Sara A: "Sometimes, when I’m gazing at a fixed object without thinking about anything in particular, I can see it start to dance and fluctuate as the hologram it really is, until I reach out and touch it, at which point it becomes stationary and tangible again (a particle)."


Hafur: " 'One learns to paint by painting'. That's why this 'temporal human illusory creation' exists as though it were a matrix within another matrix and this, within another - multi-dimensionally until we wake up."

Veronica A: "Somehow, I began to move through some kind of brightly colored geometric figures that served as a sort of matrix, yet I did not feel alone. It was as if many eyes were watching me. " end-quote


Near death experiencers say the experience is more real than everyday normal waking consciousness. In fact, many say that this life is a dream or an illusion.

Phoebe O: "Although some stages of healthy human development are ego-centered, the ego is ultimately an illusion of the mind... "

Anita M: "It felt like I had awoken from the 'illusion' of life, and from that perspective, it looked like my physical life was just a culmination of my thoughts and beliefs up to that point. It felt like the whole world was just a culmination of the thoughts and beliefs of the collective. "

Neha S: "Life is an illusion. The real life is afterlife... Experience was definitely real My experience is the realist thing that has ever happened to me. What I went through is reality. Where we are today, how we live today is not reality it is an illusion 'Maya'. "

Nanci D: "the level of consciousness we experience while in the body operates at such a slow vibration that we actually perceive human life as reality, which I now understand is an illusion.... So, I intimately experienced the 'knowing' that I am literally part of Source's thoughts, and the illusion that I am separate from it is a gift from Source to itself in order that Source might fully explore its own personality and creativity."

Anthony C: "Human experience seems extremely artificial and basically an illusion or delusion."

Mira S: "Like all manifestation, the world too is the creation of the great illusion or great delusion, which being the Creative aspect of this Supreme Consciousness, or the Lord, is the divine movie-projector of life, in the all-powerful play of the realm of Creation.... The world had all been only in my mind, a thought-and-senses created illusion/delusion. Without the senses, mind and body, there was now no ego to perceive the world illusion!"

Michelle M: "I felt an understanding about life, what it was, is. As if, it was a dream in itself."

Tom S: "This world is like a dream, not real, so connections are not real either... Definitly there is a more real world after this one. This world is like God's dream that we wake up from when we die and are 'born' into the presence of GOD... Life here is like a dream that God is having. "

Tricia B: "I’ve experienced thousands of dreams, and this moment was more real than any waking moment in my lifetime. "

Victor Z: "This was no dream. I am 100% sure of this." end-quote


So the real life is after this life. Here on Earth we are about as dead as we will be.
Near death experiencers say that the soul is a luminous egg made of transluscent light -- a
liquid or fluorescent light -- or a plasma field.

"I was translucent. "-- John C

".....I was pure plasma, a glowing bodiless form that was pure energy and intelligence" -- Gregory C

"Then I looked at myself and I was light, I was made of light! However, at some point I had
not this light body anymore, I was just a point of consciousness in universe!... The more we
love, the more we emit light because we vibrate faster! "- end-quote- Leonard


NDEs reveal that a soul sheds its physical body and lower animal everyday normal waking
consciousness or ego and experiences the afterlife with the true expanded consciousness or
awareness of its soul which is described as pure consciousness. Souls experience this state of
superconsciousness whether they go to the light or not.

Guinevere (email): "We are NOT Souls. Only part of our consciousness is their consciousness. I found my Soul to be unlike me and set up a rather vengeful retaliation program. "

Adrian B: "I was incorporated in that light, I(my soul) was reflecting the light, it was a wonderful feeling. "

Rene A: "The soul is energy. An energy vibration has its own unique tone or tune, but is receiving its source from an All Power. The All-Power, is a Cosmic Consciousness. "

Vincent H: "But what is the soul? ... The vibratory state.
... By its vibratory mode, it's changing its state because it is elevating. Component of matter, at the moment of spiritual warming up, it's transforming and is detaching from the mortal coil. This elevation is a vibratory rise, from an inferior state towards a superior state, what you call astral state or astral sphere.
... In the world beyond, and according to your spiritual level, the energetic vibration puts you in relation to the most suitable spiritual sphere. When you speak of elevation, it's above all about a vibratory rising, an oscillatory rise perfectly in tune with those that are matching you and await you....no, there's only your mirror and your free will, which will bring you towards your vibratory elevation. "

"I was this refined, sublime consciousness." -- Mathilde M

"It was a totally different type of consciousness, it was without any constraints." -- Bruce C

"it is a self identity separate from consciousness...more like a super consciousness." -- Jeff C


"The best way that I can describe it is that this state was beyond the need for thoughts or
senses. Thoughts and senses are things that in my view pertain to consciousness. Where I was,
it was a state of pure awareness-beyond consciousness and therefore the need of thoughts or
senses..." end-quote- Victor C (other non-NDE)


Travel is by intent, desire or thought and most claim that they can travel instantaneously or at extremely high speeds.

David N: "The Angel showed me how quickly we could travel just by our thoughts. We would think of a place and within less than a second, we were there. "

Robert N: You can travel to all areas of heaven with just a desire to be there. You can enjoy the climates to which you are attracted.


"Travel was easy. Simply by desire." -- Dr. Jean Renee H

"It was an energy travel - like we set our intention and away we went." -- Pamela B

"I felt that I could move at the speed of light... It was as if I was propelled by thought, rather
than body. What existed was pure will. "-- Bryan Z

"High speed travel... as if by thought or wish. " - end-quote- Anne S

I would like to mention the Void.

This is an account of Gigas who emailed me about her experience in the void:
"The first time I entered the black void I was afraid. I knew I had to breathe but there was no
air there. I knew I thirsted but there was no water there. I knew I needed to be warm but there
was no warmth there. I was afraid, and then a calm came over me. I had no need for any of
that. I was a conscious form in a black void where I became aware I was a sphere of light with
no sense of direction, just the blackness and feeling released from all the pain learned in the
physical realm.
It was beautifull, pleasent and I was unchained, free from everything I had known before...I
was truely free of the suffering bondage back there in the body."

Mellen-Thomas Benedict had an extensive NDE where he went to a light beyond the first
light and also to a void.

He wrote, "As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself
in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond
infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the
beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I
was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute
life and consciousness...I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than
everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute
consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence...What mystics call the void is not
a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we
are. ...
Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even
while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go
anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical
manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components.,,,,I was in the void and I
was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's
eyes. I had become God." - end-quote

I received some emails from a woman in Florida. She wrote, "Last year, I had a serious accident.
I was in and out of a coma for days
having spent two weeks in the intensive care unit. One thing I do remember is when
I lost consciousness , plunging into total darkness; no bright light, no deceased family
members. .... As the months passed by, a feeling of absolute love and peace would
resonate from within me - still does....
I had read your article months before my accident, and so in essence it stayed with
me. As I am lying on my hospital bed, I had momentary lucid thoughts which were:
not to project any expectations of angels, guides,...etc. I was not going to be lied to
which is why I am guessing the immersion into the void." end-quote

The tunnel is frequently encountered by those who go to the Light. It is also described as a
vortex, pipe, tube, hose, vent, spiral, or rings. It may be a portal or wormhole to another dimension. There
are predominantly two tunnels reported -- one arches upward toward the light and
the other one downward toward a darker less pleasant experience... Some of the
common traits associated with the tunnel are vibration, color, music, wind,
magnetism and electricity. There are several destinations on the other side of the
light -- many talk about a garden/park. There is a river of life that souls ride
on or sometimes acts as a barrier to the other side...there is quite often a crystal city
mentioned with a dome and a tower...there is an area which reminds souls of a
waiting room/ and a hall where they are sometimes greeted by dead relatives. Some
say the tunnel is just a matter of moving so quickly through space. What is particularly
interesting is that a few experiencers actually mention it being an illusion.

Guinevere (email): "Souls don’t have to go back to The Light, but they’d better be nimble, better be quick. If you die that Guide is RIGHT THERE."

"I did not go down the tunnel, but I saw the outside of it in the near distance..........I saw a tube
projecting up at about a 45 degree angle, much like a pipe in the ground..........above it, approx
two mouth diameters away were TWO very bright white lights.......these lights pivoted
towards a "target soul" ascending the tunnel, and paused for a few seconds while the soul
entered the light.........the light would then pivot like a searchlight towards another soul and
pause again while the soul entered the light......Both lights were identical and moved similar,
but independently......I knew that those were souls entering the light..."-- Matt S

"Immediately I was surrounded by an earthen works tunnel in vivid, vibrant color and detail,
with the proverbial light at the end. Though the tunnel was just as real as anything I have
experienced on Earth, I knew that I was not in a tunnel. So I wasn't fooled by its appearance.
Upon realizing that I wasn't 'fooled,' a flood of 'knowings' about manifesting reality inundated
my mind. I realized that we all constantly manifest what we call physical reality just by virtue
of our thoughts, and that the only reason we are fooled into believing it is real is because of
the limitations of human senses. " -- Nanci D

"There was a vortex of white fire spiraling through space. It was a beautiful sight and looked
very much like the electricity coming from a nuclear power generator. There were voices
calling me to join this energy. Some voices were familiar, but most were not. I looked at the
energy and said firmly, 'NO! I want my own.' No sooner had I thought it, a very slim pillar of
white fire appeared a distance from the large one. "--


It *IS* a higher state of consciousness and love is often felt even if one doesn't go to the light. Not all void experiences were pleasant. I forget exactly how much, but I think 2/3 or so of the void experiences were pleasant.

I have studied whether souls choose to go to the Light or whether they are pulled there
automatically. It is my opinion that by far the vast majority more or less go automatically to
the Light. Virtually all of them seem to want to go to the Light so they weren't trying to avoid
it or anything, but I would say most were automatically pulled there. Some just found
themselves in the Light without even going through a tunnel. It could be that they saw the alluring light
and were attracted to it so off they went. You may have the free will to
decide not to go to the Light, but it seems few exercise that will.

Cathy B: "Then I remember looking up and being pulled/sucked toward a great white light. "

Marten M: " I felt I had to go to the light but I didn't know how. I was sucked towards it and once in the light I saw that the colors were much more intense than here. "


Harold D: "The tunnel was cone-shaped. Then all of a sudden, I was sucked to the light and I came out on the other side. "

Danielle V: "I found I was in a tube and I was sucked towards the light. It was a very liberating feeling; there was an ultimate feeling of love and freedom but most of all no fear and no pain... I went further because I wanted to go to the light. "


"When I became to desire the light; as I felt a connection of warmth or love or desiring to be
closer to the light, it immediately moved, and rapidly, closer, and began to vibrate at a faster
frequency. The message was simply “love.” "-- Barry L

"It is a very bright light that seems to absorb you into it when you reach it." -- Douglas H

"My thought was "oh what is that" the moment I thought it, I moved forward, almost like my
curiosity propelled me....The more curious I got the fast I propelled forward, like flying, it felt
incredibly freeing. " end-quote -- Sherri A

Souls desire to go the light and are attracted to it so they are drawn there. But they want to go there. It is not as if they are fighting against going there. But it does seem as if they are not in control. Of course, we have been conditioned here on Earth to believe we are not in control of our afterlife. Many of the NDErs are indeed sent back to Earth against their free will or sort of tricked into redirecting their thoughts back to Earth to a loved one that needs them. Once one has entered their domain then one could become subject to their game and rules.


NDERs describe the light as being as bright as a thousand suns yet did not hurt their "eyes".

In the Divine Light: "I began to look at this light and perceived what was happening to me and I never wanted to leave. I was in the presence of a divine being, one called the Son of God, Jesus. I did not see Him, but He was there in the light and spoke to me telepathically. I felt the overflowing Love of God."

"My impression was that the whole 'heaven' was made of this plasma, and I could not get in, because my 'body' wasn't subtle enough, to get into the plasma." -- Franziska R After Death Communication


I found 75 cases where the light and its surroundings were described as being cloudy or misty
or having clouds and mist. This is another indication that the Light is not the pure, divine
Light but an incoherent white light -- unless there are several lights of varying intensity and

"Then as instantly as I rose, I was instantly present within something that resembled a cloud. I
don't say it was a cloud but it was bright, white and soft. I felt the total embrace of LOVE." --
Geralyn AS

"The next thing that happened was that I was walking in clouds... Walking in clouds like in the
movie " Heaven can wait"... It was bright light."-- Joe W

"Those clouds that are in Heaven are not the kind you see on Earth. They seem to dance, those
white floating clouds. " -- Roy S

"I saw beings standing there within a great white cloud backed by a white light. " -- Paul

"I was in the misty light... The mist itself was a 'being' of sorts... It was a misty light.
But it really wasn't light. It was - emotion, peace, love, everything combined to form a 'mist.' " -- Raymond H


A frequent occurrence among near death experiencers is the mention of vibration especially
while in the tunnel. But they also talk about their own frequency or vibration increasing to a
higher level.

Gregg S: "Spirit is within a realm that moves much faster than the physical plane, and is set to a much higher frequency, vibration, and is of much higher fidelity. "

Renee M: "This is a dimensional world that has levels and planes. Dimensional frequencies that can be moved higher, lower, brighter, slower, faster designed into manifestation thus leading us to other planes and different dimensions of existence. "

Teri R: " I also came to an understanding that heaven isn't a place you are admitted to but it is a frequency that you attain. Being in the presence of White Light was 'heaven.' It was more than the greatest feeling I had ever experienced or dreamed was possible. Having that feeling again became what I wanted to strive for, not going to a place. The feeling, the energy I was experiencing became 'the place.' "

Amy C: "My vibration was changing. There was a big change in frequency, as if I was tuning into a different radio station on a grand scale......God was the Mind, or maybe I'd say, 'The Order' in all things. God felt to be the Supreme Highest Vibration and Frequency, that felt like more of an ESSENCE than an old man, to me. But I still feel God is ineffable. God was all around and in everything."

Gail A: "We are all on the same wavelength, just different peaks within the frequency. "

Marcel W: "death is just a change in frequency, to put it in earthly terms."

Heather V: "I am an artist. The light I describe was not white, but like zillions of colors of frequencies that I have never seen or experienced. It was totally different type of thing.

Amy C: "It was about WHO the person was, not what label they wore or who or what they worshiped or believed in. Your own frequency, tone, mathematical equation and vibration says it all, and
you can't tinker with that. You just ARE who you are. .....


Crystal structures have been experienced too during NDEs.

Telepathic communicaton is one of the universal elements reported in NDEs.

A crystal city is sometimes mentioned or crystal structures like buildings, a crystal tower and
a dome. It makes me wonder if there isn't some kind of tuning fork effect involved for
resonance. Also crystal is used on Earth for transducers and receivers and even battery power and memory storage.

"It was a place, a domain that I knew right away was a transfer station - a place where beings
go when moving between realms. It was like a city of crystal structures and verdant green
trees and vegetation. I went into a huge, huge beyond comprehension, perhaps dome-like
structure where one would go to meet with enormous beings of light/energy/color to do the
life review." -- Julian D

"I was then showed many wondrous things of crystal light buildings, full of prisms of light as
we went to another pyramid tower and there I was shown things that I am not to speak of...." --
Bonnie M

"To my left about halfway across the bridge was a large city made of light. The colors were
silver blue, white, and silver. It looked like crystal light. I was getting better as we approached
the end of the bridge, and entered into a large white dome at the end of the bridge." -- Denny B

"Upon my arrival at this crystal powered city I called Paralandra the city of celestial light,
where I was introduced to "mind speak". Mind speak is a communication without using words"
-- Christianne


"As described above, when taken to the Throne Room, I saw the reflection of God's Light, not the full force of it. Like light glancing off a window or mirror, but not the fullness of Him. I could not have returned had I done so....I did see light within the waters, grass, trees, etc. but it was like loving light embracing or throwing back to me pure love." -- Diane C

"I looked up at my benefactors and found that they were dressed in black gowns and had a screen over their faces that, if you looked closely, had a mirror like substance that reflected your own image back at you. They were giving me reassurances through feelings and music that was like talking, only better than language. ." -- James S

"We went through the door and there appeared an enormous mirror...When the door closed after us, the enclosure remained sealed and the lights began to shine more.... I could see that the person who had my hand began to shine more with an enormous intensity. That black light I described she had at the beginning began transforming itself into white light, an enormous white light and emanated from her breast and seemed to communicate with all the other lights. "-- Alejandro M

"I remember two beings giving me a "preview" of my life before I was to be sent to earth--they showed me something like a mirror or a curtain, offering pictures of the earth and showed me my parents and then told me there were certain lessons I needed to learn, though I certainly don't remember what..." -- Melanie, SMR

"We finally arrived at a light and then a room appeared - sort of a control room - where there were people behind one-way mirrors. .." -- MB

".Moving into the direction, before me was a liquid pool of white, yet, it also appeared to be a mirror. I was completelymesmerized. " -- Denise

"This end, this extremity is made of a light and volutes of an opalescent white. Very intense and not blinding, this light similar to a textured veil, is composed of reflections of countless luminescent colors, it seems full of vitality." -- Vincent H


Guinevere (email): "Your Soul is your WORST enemy! The Light is only a frequency of vibration which FEELS GOOD to Souls, so they are taught that is “love” and Souls are often Firefly Entities. Why would they care about us?"


"This light loved me! This light talked to me! I asked it if it was god and it answered me, “Yes I am the light!" -- Leonard

"The Light itself spoke to me and I knew it was God, the Power that created the whole universe." -- David

"I was suddenly in front of a great Light. It had to have been God!" -- Tom S

"...she told me that God was not someone we could meet, we wouldn’t bear the vision. But he is an energy that we can feel and see as a light of variable intensity depending of one’s heart’s purity." -- Kolleen

"God is love" -- the love was like an energy that connected every molecule in the universe. -- Kathy W

Tonja B: "I asked the energy ball if it was God. They said, 'That is a human word but if it makes you feel comfortable, you may call us God.' "


Krikrikit: "But now I was standing on the 'floor' of the 'hall' looking toward the 'far end' of it. Well, GOD was there. Or more accurately, a great Fire or Light that I was to understand 'represented' or 'stood for' God."


I was curious to know how NDErs described the face of God. So I searched the NDERF web
site for the word 'face'. Many NDErs do see faces of dead relatives or angels or even
sometimes Jesus since they saw the color of his eyes and hair. But when it comes to the face
of the Light Being which they almost unanimously call God for some reason they cannot see
his face because it is too bright to see details. Only a few can recall His face and amazingly
enough a couple seem to see the face of a lion. This is pretty amazing because the Gnostic
texts describe the false Gaud, the demiurge, as having the face of a lion and the body of a
serpent! Here are a few NDE
descriptions from NDERF of NDErs wanting to see the face of God and a few that saw other

"I observed him as he was so surely to hold on to the door knob of this particular room door as
he came out backwards and notice his countenance having what appeared to be a long robe on
which you could clearly looked through him and the gold belt he had on plus looking at his
face which scared the living crap out of me,.............. he had a face of a ............lion." -- Charles

"I looked at the throne and I was light and the face of a bear, eagle, lion and ram all changing
every second. ." -- Patricia AR

"Back to the pearly gates. He came to me and I said, "Hey man, you got wings!" ...He was fearsome, had a few faces some kind of
lion, eagle, and such. My feeling was that it was the guard to the entrance of heaven." -- John S

"I sensed a presence to the rear right of me and I could see a winged creature with a
dragon/lion-like face similar to those seen in Asian art and architecture" -- Jack, Ketamine experience


Lots of NDEs where "god" is sitting on throne in a "white room"

SJ said, "I found myself suddenly 'very high up' in a bright white room. There were several beings
there...There was a being on a throne, that I was almost directly in front of, that was the only
one sitting down.... I was forced on my hands and knees, and couldn't move or look
around except with my eyes...

They were very white or 'chalky' looking. first, I believed, from their color, that they were
possibly the 'gray aliens'. But then I believed they were gods or religious-type beings, because
of the set-up of there being a throne in the room. The room was very bright white, and they
were wearing robes... I do not necessarily view this being on the throne as the Big G: god,
which/who I feel is probably a different sort of abstract and a more universal, non-human
consciousness. However, I did feel the beings I was seeing, have historically been called gods
by other humans. " -- end-quote

"When taken to the Throne Room, I saw the reflection of God's Light, not the full force of it.
Like light glancing off a window or mirror, but not the fullness of Him.." -- Diane C


The most often reported association with the Light is the overwhelming feeling of love felt
while in its presence. This may well be the case but I have spoken to those who didn't even go
into to the tunnel or enter the light and they told me they felt the intense love too. It is the
natural state of our Soul free from the physical body which is yoked to an animal brain and
Counterfeit Spirit.

"The most amazing part was a pure feeling of the most intense love I can barely describe. It
was just wave after wave of pure love. It was within me, it was around me, it was
EVERYTHING. It felt like heartbeats of love, one wave of love after another. ...I felt pure happiness and joy. It was the most
beautiful feeling that words could never even come close to describing." -- Nichole BD

Mira S: "I realized that the real goal of the mind-created life game was to remove the veil of delusion and ignorance and reach the Ultimate Truth of one's reality in life itself. This Truth, this Self I was bathing in and which had encompassed my Being, was nothing but Love. The Truth was Love; pure, unconditional, Universal Love, that is almost non-achievable in human terms. It was the fabric of this Consciousness of which I was a part. Yes, because Love is God and God is Love. It was very clear that the cosmic composition was made up of nothing but Love! Love is the God-glue that is holding ‘All’ together. I realized I was not just inside the Love but rather, one with 'It', this Universal Body of Love, of God. "

"This Light Presence of pure, unconditional Love seemed to be in me and around me, allpervasive,
extending into infinity. And strangely, there seemed to be no difference between It,
and my Light being. And even more bewildering, was that this Conscious Loving Presence,
seemed to be, not just my nature and substance, but that it was the nature and substance of all
of existence... "-- Lloyd P

"From out of the corner of my left eye I saw a spark of white light come from behind me, I
turned around in the direction that the spark of light came from and saw a portal of sparking
white light, and the feeling of Unconditional Love coming from the portal."-- SW


Suffering is such a central component to life on Earth so I wanted to see what near death
experiencers said about suffering. Some imply it is necessary for learning and growing. But I
would think there would be a better tool for teaching souls about love. I think suffering is our
soul's recognition that something is wrong and not the way it should be.

I got another closeup view of suffering a week ago as my dad suffered a heart attack on Christmas Day.
I was visitng my mother and father and we were watching the movie "A Walk to Remember" which is
a very emotional movie. Interestingly enough, there is a scene where the religious girl played by singer Mandy Moore
tells the leading man, "I have my beliefs. I have faith, but don't you?" He replies, "No. There's too mcuh bad $hit in this world."
She answers, "Without suffering there's no compassion." He says, "Tell that to those who suffer."

Guinevere (email): "Souls trapped in one of those "Games" are in a Life Movie already lived by other Souls. They claim they are using those Lives as Video Instructions. B.S. They get ENERGY out of OUR SUFFERING. Period! The poor human "characters" have NO CLUE why "life sucks and then you die,"

"The Buddha was right: life is about suffering. While alive we are captors, chained by the pains and pleasures of our neurons. As long as we pursue sensory pleasure, we must endure pain." -- Ron K

"I told her everything that had led me to committing suicide. She looked at me and said, 'God
made you for a purpose. Trust me. I know this.' I looked at her and said, 'Do I really have to
suffer though? Doesn't God love everyone enough to keep us from suffering so bad?' She
looked at me and said,' God works in many ways. Trust me I've seen it happen.' She knew that
she hadn't convinced me." -- Julianna D

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"I was told why we are here and why we suffer. I was told that we all have to live out lessons
on earth for our soul to grow, like being a child learning new things. We suffer to learn how to
cope with things and to develop our soul." -- Charmaine M

" In a paradoxical sort of way you could say that anger, hatred, greed, jealousy as well as
all other forms of human suffering were designed to exist in this world exclusively for our
benefit because they do not exist back home." -- Steve B

"When you are no longer a ‘self’, you no longer suffer. There is nothing to suffer over. When
there is no voice in your head, there is no self to suffer about. Pain exists but it is just a
detached element of reality that is impermanent, as everything else is. "-- William T
"She looked at me and said, 'We suffer for how we are being here, when we separated our
Being or Spirit from the one Truth and created a False Reality we feel pain. "-- Scott W


Another major component of the NDE seems to be a feeling of inter-connectedness with everything
or a oneness with the universe. Some mention being part of a collective soul. This feeling of
oneness is sometimes reported here on Earth during meditation or with certain psychotropic drugs like mushrooms
or LSD.

"I 'knew' that what I had found was the sum total of all 'knowing' or wisdom of all people for
all time - past, present and future. All wisdom comes from this pool of collective knowing and
all we learn goes into the pool for the use of everyone." -- Jean

"I thought of the light more as a collective soul." -- Ryan G

"We are a collective 'Soul Group' experiencing the balancing of duality." -- Annie P

...what I call the “Universal Super
consciousness”, this consciousness is a conglomerate of wisdom and knowledge of all sentient
beings in our physical universe, also known as the collective unconsciousness, a sort of
cosmic internet if you like. Note! it is most definitely not Almighty God, who is the only
Infinite and Eternal One ." -- Alan D McD

"I started wondering where I was and looked outside my light pod, which had no inside or
outside, but for sake of description I will say pod, and I saw others just exactly like me, and a
great light pod in the center of all of us, millions of us, floating in the otherwise dark void
with a pure golden light connecting each of us to the center pod. The golden thread of light
was like an umbilical cord although it had no real form but just light, and it was delivering the
peace and love of the center being. " -- JMH

This NDEr named Israel says that an angel named Lamdiel explained to him the evolution of our
planet and that this wonderful evolution means all humans are going to be bound within some
super being, the being who is the hateful god of the Old Testament:
" I was excited. "Who is that giant spirit? I felt as if my heart were racing although I was in
my astral body. The angel smiled, then slowly answered my question. "It is going to be a
strong, huge, high intensity spirit from the third level of existence, from the forces level. That
spirit is going to bond Himself with all of humanity on the planet Earth. "It will create a huge
new entity--one that will improve your lives tremendously and forever. This huge spirit is
quite well known to humanity on Earth. Many people, unknowingly, already are craving to
bond with Him. They consciously pray for His help, and love Him. In some part of their
subconscious minds all people on Earth already know it. And whether they believe in any
established religion or not, in times of great need most humans recognize His existence. They
call him: God, Elohim, Yahave, Allah, the Heavenly Father, and many other names."

There is one account from Mary D which was labeled as an STE, a spiritually transformative
experience but had all the elements of a standard NDE. She was asked, What emotions did you feel during the experience?....
Immense Love
...I saw a beam of white. It came out of the sky and touched me on the
shoulder...One responding to my unasked question who are you? "God of
Abraham." end-quote


Near death experiencers say we come back to learn more, to gain more knowledge.. They
claim all knowledge of everything in the universe is present or available in the Light but lose that
knowledge when returning to Earth. It is lost during the fall in consciousness.

Some say coming to Earth is to obtain
wisdom through knowledge. We'll look at what NDErs have to say about both knowledge and
wisdom in the Light. Are we to believe our souls were created as blank slates or something or
that they were created incomplete, flawed or defective, and the only way to gain wisdom is by
incarnating here?

"The light then told me you are here to learn how to love and to gain knowledge. When I was
told this all the implications of the word love and knowledge were imparted to me. With the
word love it wasn't just about physical love but the love of nature, accepting all people as the
same, everything that pertained to love. The same was with knowledge. It wasn't just about
book knowledge but about learning about different cultures, histories of the world etc. I felt
when I was told this that it wasn't just my reason for being on earth but all of our reason for
being here, mankind." -- Barbara S.

"Along with this, I had gained universal knowledge of all things." -- Kelly K

"I was given more than just the answers to my questions; all knowledge unfolded to me" -- Beverly B

I experienced light beings who were "knowledge" and gave me answers to all the questions of
the universe... universal truth and knowledge. -- Carol V

"While I was there (and only there), access was given to knowledge; 'everything that ever was,
is, and will be.' "-- Daniel A


The topic of merging with the Light is a very important one as I have the feeling that at death
this Being of Light may be absorbing the Light energy from the souls and sending the soul
back to Earth into another body with just enough Light energy to sustain itself. I think the desire to
merge is due to the intense feelings of Love felt and the indescribable attraction they have for the Light.
I think a lot of us yearn to be a part of something bigger and more powerful than ourselves.

The merging into one being calls into question the losing of one's soul or identity and conjures up thoughts
of the Borg Collective from Star Trek that have a hive mind.

Some examples NDErs give of their desire to merge with the Light:

"Was going to merge with the light/love, seemed to be mostly about to, knew when I did I
would cease to exists as "I" and become one and part of all, ego would be gone totally. -- Justin U

"My personal feeling is that we are all "sparks" that come from the "Big Light". When our
physical bodies die, our soul, spirit, essence, feelings and thoughts, go back to the source....the
"LIGHT". "-- Corina

Jill D: "What happened was that I became part of (or returned to) the presence that was so
amazing. The closest analogy I can come up with is Odo in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, when
he would go to his home planet and return to the collective. ." end-quote


One of the biggest questions that mankind has probably asked the most throughout the course
of history to the point of it being cliche is: 'What is the meaning of life?' Interestingly enough,
NDErs do not unanimously agree on the answer so I don't think they can provide a definitive
answer but can help provide insight.

It may be possible that souls could have different purposes or missions
during each lifetime so the meaning of life could be different for each soul during any given life.
Then again, if we are just food for the "are-cons" then the meaning of life from their perspective
would be to provide ongoing illusions to allow them to keep feeding. The meaning of life for the
true Spirits would be to awaken from the dream state of these illusions, to end the game of this
dramatic play and return to the frequency level of our true home.

Cam said, "I went to my local Buddhist nun, she had an answer for everything, and
how the purpose of life was to 'Escape' the rebirth. This is exactly what I had seen; it was an
awakening to the true meaning of life... The meaning of life, to escape the Samsara.... "

"I asked (thought), "But what is the secret meaning of life?" The answer was given as love.
Nothing more and nothing less." -- Mel W

"I asked him what the meaning of life is. He told me "for the entertainment of the spirit realm." "
-- David J

"The sole purpose of my being here on Earth is to learn how to maneuver and control MY
OWN powerful mind. I am educating myself in how my mind constantly creates my own
reality and co-creates our reality, no matter where I reside. And I EXPERIENCE it!" -- Malla

“I asked the light…What is the Plan? “There is no plan…there never was. You are given this
universe to do what you want and you’re free to do that.” “…the only meaning there is to life
is the meaning you give to it." -- Mellen-Thomas Benedict

The concept of spiritual evolution is the heart of the matter, no pun intended.

Many near death experiencers say that life is a school where we come to learn and grow or
evolve as a soul. Make no mistake this question of whether a soul needs to learn and is
evolving is a key issue. As for knowledge they say we need to come to Earth to learn yet they
say all knowledge is available there. We have seven billion souls on the planet now. We have
presumably been reincarnating here for thousands of years. And we still haven't learned
enough about love?

"On the way to the star, we passed all of the planets in our solar system. I saw spirit life on
each planet and was told each one was where different aspects of spirit evolution occur." --
David O

"I remember visiting places that were just coming into existence, and some that were on
various planes of evolution." -- JoAnn M


"I was also told that the earth serves, and will continue to serve, as a place of evolution and
consciousness..." -- Murielle T

Nanci D said, "my level of consciousness continued to evolve through higher and more expansive
levels until I was about to fully merge into Source/God. At that point, I felt as though I had
the same level of consciousness as Source/God, which is the level of awareness/vibration
necessary in order to merge directly into it...
I did, however, evolve through numerous 'levels' of awareness/consciousness/beingness until I
was no longer a being at all. " -- end-quote

"There wasn't anything specific, simply the knowledge that I was trying to move on to the next
step of "evolution" for my soul" -- Trisha S

"In each new lifetime, as the soul makes spiritual progress, its vibrational frequency gets tuned
to a faster, higher and finer level depending upon its degree of evolution. The transformation
continues until the frequency level is fine-tuned to such a degree that it connects with the
frequency of the Cosmos itself, which then allows it to gain entry into Cosmic Consciousness,
one’s true self, which is eternal bliss, otherwise known as ananda." -- Mira S

Dave A said, " It is far more likely that god is more like the Borg from Star Trek in that there is a collective
consciousness, but energy beings that, when free of limiting physical constraints, are able to
unite and become a part of the whole as would a drop of water into the ocean. As energy, its
properties would be consistent throughout the whole as would its consciousness and
knowledge. All the experiences of all the entities would be combined in a pool of knowledge
that would be akin to one mind, one being, instantaneously. For god to be a single being
would be like saying that the ocean is a single molecule of water or that we are made up of a
single cell instead of billions. Each of our cells contains the memory of who we are and thus
is able to reproduce to grow and maintain our bodies. It is not a far stretch of the imagination
to say that god, as a collection of entities, also reproduces entities like we do our cells.
Therefore we can deduce that god is growing and evolving. " --end-quote

I have a friend at the near death group meetings who says 'Earth is a school and each day I attend'.

To MY way of thinking it may be a school but it could just as easily be a prison and a farm.

Gina: "Life is a school, nothing more."

"We are students at a school called Earth...when the bell rings, we go back home...with lessons
learned. "-- Daniel A

"We can think about it as being in some kind of 'school or virtual game.' " -- Julio M
"By what I was shown I understood that Earth is school and when we are done we have a “Life
Review” and then we get to graduate and go back home... " -- Mary W

There are NDES mentioning THE MOON during their experience.

I'm not sure I would say there are a lot, but some near death experiencers
did see the moon as part of their experience. The moon is mentoned more often in the context of
out of body experiences.

NDE: "Then all of the sudden, I was rapidly sucked into what I thought was this full moon. That
night the moon was a sliver, so this was 'the light' that NDErs talk about." -- Katie W

"I believed this was God, our creator of the universe, highest power. As I took a look around I
saw a bright light, it was the moon, the sun was reflecting light off the moon surface, we were
in space, equal distance to the moon on the right side. I do not think this was heavens final
destination, I think it was a greeting area to receive us when we cross over." -- Ron A

These next few experiences are from oberf.org which contains over 3000 out of body
"I was in the moon, and I went into a dark tunnel, like I was in a rock, a little larger than my
shoulders, I didn’t feel gravity anymore..." -- Luc D

"As the moon got bigger I thought am I going to float all the way to the moon?
Than what I can only describe as the "*Stargate experience" I was for the lack of a better
word *Flying through the galaxy. -- Joe W

"To the left of the moon started a procession of alien beings, seemingly coming from the
moon..they looked like
human beings, although they all had dark hair and they were quite slender and taller then
humans. Each being had a aura of white around them. It was sparkling and almost made them
look a bit translucent. " -- Lori E, STE

Mague described her NDE on a forum:
"Its not exactly a tunnel. Imagine you walk up the staircase from the cellar
and its absolutely dark. On top of the stairs is a door that is a tiny slit open. Through the slit
and the gaps around the door and the hinges the light is shining and creating the picture of a
tunnel. But its rather like an optical thing where the lightrays create the illusion of a tunnel. A
bit similar are pictures from eclipses. Its not a tube tunnel, its an eclipse"


The sun is what gives us our life here in the physical realm since
it provides the Earth with energy. Without the Sun we would not be living here on Earth so it is an enabler.
It is like a frequency generator throwing out gamma waves.

Could the intensely bright Light that NDErs are drawn to actually be the Sun? Before you
immediately dismiss that as a possibility consider that our souls do not look like our physical
bodies and resemble more like an egg of translucent light. Also, our Sun is actually white
light, but the intensity of its light and color can be diluted or changed due to the refraction of
the rays through the Earth's atmosphere. Also, consider the Light could be the essence or soul
of our Sun. A large number of near death experiencers do compare the light to the Sun. There
are quite a few near death experiencers who say that we do go to the sun.

"All of the sudden and I looked up. I saw light. Now, I don't know if it was the spiritual plane or the sun." -- Marta M

"Then the light came. I was thrown straight into the middle of the Sun. ...The Light was exactly like the center of the Sun." -- Maria TK

"I was being taken to a Sun behind our Sun, where dwells the Light of Alpha and Omega....But, when I finally reached the brilliant
white Light of that Sun, after about 18 hours of intense battling, I saw the brilliance of a God
unnamed." -- Jo D

Lynn M: Before I actually got out further into the cosmos, I sensed going thru a massive light energy I think now it was our sun."

Here are a few I found at oberf.org which contains over 3000 out of body experiences or types of experiences other than NDEs.
"Suddenly I came to a profound awareness that this sun was God! .... I believe that this
Sun/Intelligence/God wasn't a single Being, but is the center of all beings, that it is me, you and perhaps all conscious beings." -- Christopher

". I am struck with a question as to where I am being taken to... and a thought comes to me that I am
being pulled to the sun... not merely the surface sun, but the Sun behind the sun! Whoa, I
think... I am going to God!..." -- Jeffrey

This is a spiritually transformative experience from Christiane P:
"I feel the irresistible attraction of this SUN... I'm transmitting my fear to cease existing, that if our course is not taking another direction we
will be colliding with this SUN. ... Then, I'm convinced, deeply convinced and I know that death doesn't exist. We continue the
journey towards the Sun, that is aspiring my bubble. The Sun is approaching and when it's crossing my bubble, I'm enveloped in an orange-red
light, I see the fire at the surface of the SUN and this LIGHT is LOVE without a word, without the possibility to describe its intensity, its strength, its power. " end-quote

STE of Kurt G: "I then proceeded to what appeared to be my residence...the center of a sun or some other great
ball of light. Inside was like a room with some type of screen for viewing events in my life
and every other life I've ever lived. From here I could view any past experience from any of
my millions of existences and actually relive the scenario at the same time and location of the
original event....
I then came to a place that seemed to be where souls were created. There were millions of
pods of light, almost egg-like, somewhat transparent and quite bright. Inside were two beings
or souls, as far as I could tell, and from underneath these orbs were beams of light shining
downward to nowhere in particular. It was much like the cone of light a flashlight might emit.
Occasionally from these orbs a smaller orb would appear and travel downward inside the
beam of light, off to an unknown location. I knew this to be new souls being born .." -- end quote

OBE, Scott T said, "from space there is one very big light to draw your attention, the Sun.. ...
From the orbital home point, 'cueing' the light will cause you to start to fly towards the
Sun/the light. From this non-physical limitation free perspective you rapidly exceed the speed
of the physical light, at which point something remarkable occurs. The Sun and the physics,
including time, of the physical universe recedes, the Sun becomes an enormous tunnel of
streaming light surrounded in nebulous clouds. ... "


I found several dozen near death experiences which include aliens.... sometimes gray aliens,
other times worms or snakes. About a dozen actually mention the grey aliens that most people
have heard of. One thing to keep in mind are the similarities between NDEs and many alien
abduction accounts. Prominent near death
researcher, Kenneth Ring, has written about the similarity between near death experiences and
alien abduction accounts. UFO researcher Raymond Fowler has as well.

Guinevere (email): "I went back to a Space Station and watched The Life Review. All Aliens. "

Graham M: "Drawn to a joyous white light and up through a layer of personalities with tails like comets. Came into a space where I was tended to by silver, featureless creatures with thin limbs and conical (inverted) heads. They communicated telepathically and laid me down. I was told I could stay if I wished. I was tempted as I was ecstatic. When I decided against it, I was sucked down a tunnel. The white light stayed in my peripheral vision for two hours after the event...... I understood them to be 'servants' of the light."

"I was taken to special entities who looked like the usual grays, but they had lots of wrinkles
on their faces. They called themselves the Counsel, and said they were part of a group called
'soul recyclers' helping souls to re-incarnate." -- Ruth

"I found myself suddenly 'very high up' in a bright white room. There were several beings
....They were very white or 'chalky' looking. At first, I believed, from their color, that they
were possibly the 'gray aliens'." -- SJ

"After a few seconds I noticed a giant grey being descending at a 45 degree angle down
towards me. As it got closer it conveyed to me a feeling of love so strong that I could not only
sense it but FEEL it to. It was the strongest feeling of emotion I have ever felt even to this
day. Eventually it was face to face with me. It was probably the equivalent to being 7 or 8 feet
tall. It didn't really have any defining physical characteristics such as eyes, or a nose, or
mouth. But it did have an area that resembled a face. The light eventually surrounded us.
From the epicenter of this light came the smaller being. It floated down and got into position
behind me and out of sight. That's when the larger being said to me telepathically, 'There's
nothing we can do, you have to go back.' " -- Jon B

"I just knew how the universe worked, that God could have been an alien" -- Lynne H

"I was taken to see a worm working controls of big cylinders that had every animal and
peoples you could think of...and they were going down the cylinders from adults to
babies........As I was walking towards the worm
I heard a voice say....you go back and be a better man..I was told by many the light was the
creator/god....and the worm was a angel giving rebirth.. " -- James N

"I met with 'beings' that looked a lot like the drawings that I have seen of 'aliens'..-- Suzanne B

"Immediately upon leaving my body there was darkness, then I saw several humans that were
floating, they told me not to go to the light. At the end of the tunnel was a man who asked
about the life review. I saw spirits, like shining lights of love, and I saw 12 beings that were
not human, they had large heads and large eyes, they had no mouths that I saw, or ears." --
Brian K

"Then I heard this sound, it was far off but at the same time it was inside my head. It sounded
like insects buzzing," -- Marney


This last NDE is not from NDERF.ORG, but was an NDE reported by a woman named
Shelley: "They took me to a room in the sky and I say “they” because there was six of them
there. There was 3 beings on the left and three beings on the right. They were dressed in
heavy robes. They probably were 8 feet high and I was very much aware that this was not
angels and it wasn’t the Mother Mary and it wasn’t Jesus. These were extraterrestrial beings."

SHAPE SHIFTING ARCHONS are described during NDES

The supposed light beings are able shape shift in some of the NDEs. Whether they are are-cons I
guess remains to be determined, but I have called them that. Is it possible they are AI or
artifical intelligence that is able to mimic light beings?

Archons is the name the Gnostics gave to the false rulers of our reality. I believe Archons are
shape shifting entities. Could these be examples of NDEs with Archons? And, if so, are all
NDEs encounters with Archons? It's possible if they have access to the Akashic records that
they could simulate any person who has lived, appear as them, and thus convince a soul to go
back to Earth.

NDEr Who Met A Demiurge: " I'm coming back and then I'm seeing a little bitty tiny blue marble and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and then I'm about to hit the atmosphere and then -- BAM!!!!! -- stopped!....

I'm like right in front of this Norman Rockwell kinda of looking guy -- big, long flowing white hair... big white beard...He had burning, red eyes... brassy face... brass-colored face. But he's translucent kinda like the gold up in 'heaven', whatever you want to call that place. And he's SEVERE. This guy's not somebody that you wanna mess with. I mean, he's just full of SERIOUS intent. I mean, very, very serious guy and he's got all these star maps and he's showing them to me and I'm like absorbing it and he's trying to explain to me everything and I'm having to make some agreements to go into a body and he's showing me why. THIS star's aligned with THIS and THIS galaxy and THIS planet and THIS, THAT and it's like these maps...

he opened up some new books, , for me and he showed me how we interact with one another. And one of them was 'waves'. We're in waves and the waves go across the whole Earth and they're like a... imagine ocean waves. And there are waves that go across the entire Earth of Light and Darkness. And he showed me how he was like a filter for the Earth that caused the waves. In other words, he caused the waves by his presence of Darkness. It's like imagine putting up a veil in front of a window and some of it goes through and somehow putting the veil caused the Light and the Darkness on the Earth to pull up. The Light pulls up and the Darkness pulls down. And so the whole Earth was like a big round ball of waves that move across...

I mean, imagine a bowling ball but with waves going all the way across it.....the Light pulled UP, the Darkness pulled DOWN and it was a perfect balance to him. And he was trying to explain to me how HE was superior to the Light. Okay. How WAS he superior? Because he had this thing balanced. Everybody lined up for miles and miles to come here because they wanted to experience what he has, and what he has is this perfect balance of 2/3 Light and 1/3 Darkness. It's like a counterbalance, the ying and yang thing. But the Lightness, it's more Light than it is Dark and it's not always exactly in balance. What he was describing is that he needed me to DO some things, to keep the balance of Light up because if they're aren't people doing 'Light' things then the balance gets too wonkered and it gets too dark and it's like GAME OVER -- everybody goes home, it's DONE. And he has to... he can not... I mean, people call him the Devil. How can a guy be the Devil who wants good things to happen, you know, that wants 'Light' things to happen, that wants Love, kindness, joy?...

we can participate in THIS world and others. And I'll tell you how THAT works out. I saw the VERY end. I'm talking about this Demiurge, or whatever you want to call it, the guy who does all the contracts. He records everything. He's like the Producer, okay, and he's producing this show. It's HIS show. And if you don't sign up for his contract, you don't enter..."

I saw the Darkness, then I saw the Light completely covering the Earth. The Light finally goes through unshielded. The Demiurge, as you called him, just completely gives up. He says, "I lose -- GAME OVER. You won. No more people are coming here anymore."

He's admitting he fails. .. He fails with his 2/3 Light strategy. It doesn't work. Eventually... Because the world gets out of control.
They don't want to reincarnate or whatever you want to call it. They won't sign the contracts anymore.

Guinevere (email): "your Guest who saw a Demiurge was telling the truth. I know him by another name....

The Demiurge in fact DOES have to do what he does - I know him all too well. There is a balance which MUST be kept, It IS his Game. It was never meant to be. He has copies of Akashic Records, which can be taken out JUST LIKE NETFLIX and he sticks poor Souls in various characters and THEY are forced to lead lives of HELL, not to mention he puts some of his "demons" (negative polarity beings) in the roles of people who were supposed to be Helpful, or a Soulmate or a Friend or a Karmic Intersection meant to allow us to teach a lesson, etc. Just the opposite will occur. Those intersections will be terrible....

The Demiurge's name is "Maratona." Call him that. He HATES it. Maratona's Armada! (Satan's Army).... Maratona means “Marathon....

Maratona is actually a monster - (Satanists describe him very well. He manifests as a 30-ish Blond, Curly-headed Angelic Man, VERY tall, not old and white-haired) -

You know what they call us? "Marionette Amore!" "Love Puppets."

He can mess with us any which way he pleases...

This is Satan’s Game. Absolutely. "

A woman named Stephanie emailed me with her NDE which contained a being which she referred to as the Demiurge or archon:

She wrote: " I was judged by the demiurge and left to his low-vibrational underlings who tormented me horrifically for what seemed like ages in another dimension that was like an empty void... I was intervened for by The Mother. Isis, Maa, Sophia, Ninhursag all fit. She is purer, loving, compassionate, alien, imm....I was aware of an evil entity who was not present, his underlings who tortured me, and The Great Mother who intervened for me..."

"When the loud crack sound happened I saw a flash of him. What I saw was a black background with a lazer-like detailed purple-pink on black image of a very large male being seen from below, with what I suppose is reversed perspective. It was only a flash but it was a very strong image. I was seeing his standing, very upright, powerful form from below and the perspective of the image of him growing larger the further he was from me. He was ripped, but not bulky. I didn’t see hair, just the outline of him looking up, the line of his jaw from below, and again the perspective stood out to me as accentuating his size and importance. He is humanoid but not human. He is alien. I had a sense that he was in some way reptile-like, he had no wings but I believe he had a large muscular tail..., in less than an instant in the flash of his image I felt I knew he was an archon. ...I felt the understanding that he was an archon and what that meant to me in that instant is that he was one of possibly many very powerful and malevolent entities with nothing like good intentions for humanity. I saw his image flash again later on during the timeless torture when I remember trying so hard to struggle or resist and it was so awful and I screamed in my mind why is this happening to me. His image flashed again and the low beings intensified their taunting and energy attack saying things such as I am bad, selfish, weak, unworthy."

"Do I think he is the demiurge now? I don’t know. He could be, or he could be one who works with or for him, or even have nothing to do with them. I did not sense any good in him, nothing like warmth or light in him so perhaps he cannot have been that one. I understand that the demiurge at least does or allows some good. This being was malevolent and ruthless.

I want to describe the low entities, too. They were like a fishbelly greyish dirty white. They actually reminded me of the demons shown in the movie Constantine, though they did not have the heads like anencephalic babies. Most of them had relatively normal round heads and almost monkey-like faces, but only one of them was not in some way misshapen. He seemed to be the leader of them to some extent, spoke the most, complained the most when they had to stop. The others had faces that were not quite right, and parts of their bodies were not fully defined or formed. They were small, like the size of 5 year olds, skinnier, and some of them used energy and telepathy and did not speak words.

I did not mention this, but the negative entities seemed to me to be somehow spider like, even though this was not a physical or appearance-based impression at all. I cannot say why I felt they were spider -like, especially her in some way. The male malevolent entity seemed more reptile-like or even better, humanoid serpentine somehow....

I did not get the feeling that he was Satan or Lucifer or someone delegated to torment souls. He caught me to see if he could use me,

On the form she submitted to NDERF she wrote:

"I cannot explain it because it was not part of my belief system at all prior to this, but I believed him to be an archon.....I sensed that he was very powerful but absent; he had delegated this to underlings which were terrible, low vibrational beings who hate everything.

"I believe now that it was primarily that I didn’t accept their torment or judgement as being correct that seemed to eventually stop it. Their voices were buzzing and hollow and awful. I began to sense a female presence that for a time I assumed must be one of them. Her presence became more and more pronounced and the intervals between the torment became longer, and I sensed her as being exceptionally loving. In spite of her loving presence I was still utterly tormented....I rejected their judgements of me which all seemed totally false, and I felt more than heard her decision to lift me out of this. She intervened for me, they were not able to hold me. One of the low entities complained 'Why did you start us up, then?' in anger that they would not get to keep me."

"There was a query as to what religious form the divine communicator should take. My answer
was Jesus Christ, and a part of the light formed into an image that made me feel comfortable...." -- Andrew C

"So the thoughts came into my head: what kind of form or shape would make you most
comfortable....Some require me to take the shape of a
wise old man, others a woman and still others an animal, all of different races, ages, sizes or
species. " -- Kathi B

Robert B said, "I saw the Light approach, I was enveloped by the light and an entity that was to prepare me
for what I call my Interview with a supreme being later in the Light. This first being appeared
to be the Virgin Mary. Only after asking, "Are you truly the Virgin Mary it instantly
manifested true identity. "......

I was told that I was there for 7 years and that each person would see only what they could
understand when they came to her. Some would see her as Jesus some their fathers or moms
every imaginable deity as well." -- end-quote

"They seek you as if they were a good spirit, but they are not, because when they arrive near
you they assume a shape that is frightening.... " -- Hugo HSR

"I examined the ditch carefully, then as I looked onto the other side of the ditch that's when
shapes started to take form. I saw these black creatures that could shape shift from small to
large and vice versa." -- Kiko M

This example is not from nderf.org, but is from Howard Storm's book, "My Descent into
They told him, "We can appear to you in human form if you wish, or in any form you want so
you will be comfortable with us.” “No, you’re more beautiful than anything I’ve ever seen.” -- end-quote

SHADOW BEINGS & SHADOW PEOPLE have been described in NDEs as well..

There are a fair number of near death experiences where shadowy figures or shadow beings
were seen. Some of these were the Grim Reaper. Others were hooded beings. Sometimes the
hooded beings wore robes like monks.

To said, "Before I was presented with the light/presence, I first went through a period of
seeing and feeling several strange shadows kind of wrapping themselves around me and over
me...suffocating almost..... for I suspected that these "shadow beings" may have meant that I
would not be able to go to God

An unseen force, in the form of a shadow, very powerfully and swiftly pulled me back
through blurred darkness to my body. " -- August

"As I came to that conclusion, several hooded beings of an ethereal-looking faded sepia color
appeared. There were at least three or four of them on my left side and I believe the same
amount on my right... The beings stood around me, paused a bit, and then began to lift me up
into a tunnel of light." end-quote -- Trevor O


I would imagine most NDErs would say that reincarnation is for the purpose of learning and evolving. There are a few, however, who DO mention it as a recycling process.

Many near death experiencers do recall having lived multiple lives. This concept ties into reincarnation and the notion that we need to come here until we have learned enough lessons
to graduate. Of course, it could also be that entities are just feeding off our energy and convincing us we need to come back.

Guinevere (email): "So now - I see Past, Present and Future Lives, Life Before and Between Lives, Souls creating the films for their "Lives," Discussing and rehearsing "roles" (which Soul is going to play which "part") "taste-testing" Karmic Intersections (they can actually jump in and out of their character at important Karmic Intersections (US being the "characters") so they'll remember them, going to the Programming Center for their "Programmed Prompts" (sometimes called Guideposts) and I see these as movies - snapshots, trailers "

"I was taken to special entities who looked like the usual grays, but they had lots of wrinkles on their faces. They called themselves the Counsel, and said they were part of a group called
"soul recyclers" helping souls to re-incarnate." -- Ruth

"This experience just continued to help me follow my Hindu beliefs of reincarnation, all is recycled-water, oxygen, nitrogen, and souls." -- Alok B

"I felt alive on so many levels, and like I was about to recycle sort of speak......"-- Pamela M

"I was aware that I had had lives previously and that there was sort of a script or outline of my life telling me how long I was to live." -- Donna

COMING BACK TO EARTH is something that can be forced upon them, against their free will.

At least half of the experiencers say they were forced to come back against their will. And
probably half of those who chose to come back were persuaded into choosing to do so after
seeing images of their loved ones needing them thus they have an attachment. The Light also
tells them they have a mission to perform first or even asks them to do it as a favor. In many
cases the spirit's thoughts are redirected to Earth and off they go.
Some examples:

"Up to this day I can't recall if after looking downwards the decision to return was completely
mine or forced to me by an inside voice that didn't belong ..." -- Rena P

"It was like being paroled from hell and then being forced to return." -- Barbara G

"It was not my choice/I was forced to go back/I did not want to/It was made by that main light source." -- Geraldine

in NDEs, they talk about JUDGMENT & COUNCIL OF BEINGS.

The vast majority of NDErs say they judge themselves. This is because of the life review
where no judgment is given.

Some do, however, say they were judged by God or a council so
there is a contradiction. Almost all NDErs say we have free will too, but many say they were
sent back to earth against their will (not their time yet, mission to fulfill, etc).... so which is it?
Keep in mind most the ones who say we judge ourselves were still persuaded to come back
for the same reasons. They are also sometimes told they have more to learn and so they must
come back. Isn't that a judgment? This also coincides with the in between lives research of
hypnotherapists such as Michael Newton and Dolores Cannon who found that there is a
Council which eventually convinces souls of the need to come back to Earth. At any rate, here
are some near death experiencers who said they were judged.

"There was a royal figure who decided, without my consent, if I could stay with them or not." --
Philip S

"God judges us all...God chooses where we go. I had no choice in the matter I was sent back." -- Patrice P

"At that moment, I have the feeling to be in a court of justice, but instead of our dull judges,
nameless, faceless, genderless, light beings are just there around me." -- Pascal C

"However several questions were asked by the members of the Council asking me if I agreed
to fulfill a promise of unknown nature they would allow me to return to this world....Closer to
what was said would be that one day I would be granted the ability to do something great." end-quote --
Michael F

NDES show us there are SOUL CONTRACTS as well

Soul contracts are a huge deal for the Archons. They have no real power over us if we are
Sovereign beings. They would need to convince us and have us agree to come back. When
this occurs, soul contracts are made. These should be null and void at death and they would
need to convince us to agreeing to a new contract. As Sovereign beings we may even be able
to dissolve the contract here and now as not binding since it was created with lies and

"Imagine if you were a computer programmer and they have statements called IF-THEN-ELSE
statements. Imagine that if there's this one plan that he showed you and if you do ALL
of THIS, everything you dream of will come true and it will be more or less painless...
what I saw was there were branches that went off to
either side. IF 'this' happens, THEN 'this' happens. and the IF and THEN and THEN and
THEN and THEN and THEN and THEN.... I was looking at the THENs. I'm gonna
do the THENs and then everything's gonna work out great." -- NDEr Who Experienced a Demiurge

Guinevere (from email): "I remember "Class" and "Teacher-Guides" and "Soulmates" and the entire shebang. Don't buy that Lesson crap. We are HUMAN and don’t need but one lesson - we have the Body and Human Brain and we can cancel those "Life Contracts" . . . "Life Plans" whatever.......

"Excuses about Karma don't move me. I am a nice person and most people are. Souls don't like us and many don't even know how to operate us. I am disgusted that not one Guide will come down here and console me for what occurred . . . and explain it, or show me love or consideration.

Here is how it works: They are told it is a School or Game. The Game on The Limitation Plane. Earth School...

"I say The Game is SO corrupted and hacked and unfair and out-dated the REAL LESSON for Souls is NOT to come here.

I plan NEVER to come here again. So I canceled them. My Soul will reinstate them if she wants to return. I don’t think “I” should do that. I don’t want to live in a Borg World/Gaming System.

"Yes, we can cancel the contracts ALL SOULS MUST MAKE WITH HIM or they cannot Game here...

"You can cancel ALL CONTRACTS ever made and undo what has been done with or to you - right across the board."


Our lives and all Timeline Options and Possible/Probables are filmed. That is the Labyrinth your Guest called by another name. If you marry June instead of Andrea, THIS AND THIS will manifest. And so on."

"We ask to be born and we enter into a contract. We come to earth with a purpose." -- Chantal L

Rachel E: "...we enter a contract with G*d. And the terms and conditions include difficulties, challenges and
definite hardships. That is the experience we all signed up for."

"I was made aware that there were things that I had contracted to do, that were still
undone...confirmation to me of reincarnation and contract-incarnation" -- Matt S

NDES reveal to us the TRICKS, TRAPS & « ANOMA-LIES » inside the false « projection » of the

"At last, light is seen ahead. It is not the light of heaven, it is the lure of hell." -- Private

Did you see a light? No Describe: beyond that- that's a false "projection" THEN I WAS

"The only thing that puts any doubt into my mind is that possibility that Satan can simulate the
love of god and lure people into deception" -- Skeeter

"Experience was probably real I do not know if it was real or it was just a construct of my
brain to ease me into death and it could be an illusion or a trap." -- Kyal L

"Religions teach of a false god that is not the true God of the afterlife, but probably a demonic
entity in itself, who they pose as the true God... THIS IS NOT GOD! " -- Paul

NDEs show us that consciousness is CREATING REALITY

The near death experience does seem to be driven by consciousness and the realization of that
free will is the key to our freedom because many are not using that power and instead are relying on an external source
to dictate to them their reality.
Some NDErs were indeed able to manifest or create their own reality, but it seems once one has gone
through the tunnel and to the Light that ability has been surrendered or greatly diminished.

"As I was being shown how to manifest anything I wanted and that it would be instantly
granted, I thought of a piece of my mother's chocolate cake. Instantly, my mom was there
with me in heaven handing me a piece of her, heavenly chocolate cake." -- Duane S

"I could move effortlessly…and adapt to any environment I happened to be in at any given
moment. I would simply think about something and it would instantly manifest…or I’d think
about a place and there I’d be! Oh, what a sensation to experience such power—to be
anywhere I wanted to be and to create anything I wanted to…and to feel so totally free!" --
Juliet N

"A voice sounded, 'You create the world that you know. You have been given the most
wonderful gift; the ability to project your self outwards into physical form.' "-- Malla

"I heard words in different orders, thoughts became imaginings and imaginings became
manifestations....I was only a mind in that world, but a mind that could
manifest desire....
I saw that we have created false truths and realities because we loathe what we think is the
truth. We have nearly, if not completely, ruined our lives, hearts, minds, and souls to keep
feeding the illusions. We keep this false love and realty alive, just to do it." -- Scott W

"... I realized that we all constantly manifest what we call physical reality just by virtue of our
thoughts, and that the only reason we are fooled into believing it is real is because of the
limitations of human senses...
So I experimented with consciously manifesting some more to test its truth. I proved to
myself that we do indeed have the ability to manifest what humans perceive to be physical
reality by focusing our attention and intention on doing so...." -- Nanci D

"What your soul desired to see, was filled at that very moment. Everything that your soul
needed was met before it could be asked." -- Mark H

"As my orientation went on, they explained how on that celestial side of the veil, anything we
desire is instantaneously provided. We just need to feel the desire." -- Duane S

"I understood that thoughts create form." -- Lori E


"We are 'confronted' by everything that we create. We are that powerful! I was shown that I am
not yet fully able to control my negative emotions in a reality where ultimately everything
happens in an instant. So, I was sent back to continue my learning." -- Malla

"I did not understand why my thoughts would manifest afterwards. Everything I would think of
would appear and it concerned me so I made a promise to myself that I would keep positive
thoughts and images because I learned that our thoughts are powerful either negative or
positive." -- Jenneane E

"The way I just described it may sound like non-existence to some, but it is the only true
existence of grand and unspeakable peace, security, and understanding. The ego’s perception
of the world is a collectively reinforced illusion. To be without want or desire is not nonexistence.
It’s a state in which all our wants and desires are fulfilled." -- Ron K


Essentially, everything is energy which consists of higher and lower octaves of vibration or
frequency. This can verified by the fact NDErs have trouble with electronics when they return
to Earth. This is an indication that the soul's frequency increases in the astral realm as
opposed to the lower density of the physical body on Earth. The spirits trapped here on Earth
have had their frequencies lowered tremendously. This results in a drop in Consciousness and
awareness, a cosmic amnesia.

"We're at a different frequency when we're out of our body." -- Rebecca M

"The spirit had a vibratory vibration to it, which changed in its frequency." -- Barry L

"Spirit is within a realm that moves much faster than the physical plane, and is set to a much
higher frequency, vibration, and is of much higher fidelity". -- Gregg S

"I would conclude our spirits resonate at a higher frequency." -- Joseph C

"I don't feel like I am the one controlling me entirely anymore. A frequency was put into me, a
resonance, and I can't help but vibrate at that resonance now... There is a tremendous amount
of pain associated with feeling and hearing these frequencies as well because there are man
made frequency generators that compete and interfere (on purpose) with the frequencies of the
creator." -- Scot W

"God was "the mind", or "the order" in all things. The Supreme Highest Vibration and
Frequency, an essence --- around and in everything --- all that is beautiful and peaceful and
One, and all that is good." -- Amy

"started ascending. It seemed to be the most natural thing to ascend...."-- Rachel

"I was told we all go back many times, until we have learned what is needed to ascend to a
higher state of being." -- Rob D

"They told me that I had earned the right to ascend." -- Marie W

"When we die we become part of the matter of the universe and ascend into a higher state of
consciousness" -- Hannah

Here is David's NDE where he toured seven planes of "heaven". This should give you an idea
that there are higher planes than that first white light and your goal is to go to the highest one
"In each ascending Heaven, the Glory of these qualities in the light, multiplied another million
times. It is inconceivable how bright and beautiful life is in these heavens to any mind alone,
separate from this light. I was taken to the point where the Ecstasy and Love were so
overwhelming; I could barely stand the levels of cosmic energy and Ecstasy any longer....
I was then taken into the Seventh heaven, and what happens there is so far beyond my
abilities, God brought me down. I only lasted ten seconds in the Seventh Heaven...
To think that in each of these higher heavens the Light and Glory of Innocence, Love,
Ecstasy, Peace, Power, Beauty, Grace and Wisdom multiplies a million times over the
preceding heaven, makes it so difficult to pass through and live in." -- David

Teri R said, "I also came to an understanding that heaven isn't a place you are admitted to but it is a
frequency that you attain. Being in the presence of White Light was "heaven." It was more
than the greatest feeling I had ever experienced or dreamed was possible.... Therefore I knew
that although it wasn't intended as punishment, I couldn't maintain that frequency that was
allowing me to feel the bliss temporarily. I knew that somehow, I had to raise my vibration
and become more loving in order to experience this indescribably love on a permanent basis...
Now my goal has become to feel nothing but unconditional love all the time. I still have to do
a little work to shift my frequency to love where I can feel the warmth of it in my heart on
many occasions but I do eventually get there. So now I work on getting there quicker and
staying there longer without being pulled into the energy that creates the challenges of
everyday life." end-quote

NDEs teach us that our Ego’s ATTACHMENTS to the material world is pushing us to return to Earth

NDErs who are in the state of orgasmic bliss feel as if they could stay there for a million
years, but sometimes are drawn back because of their attachments to the physical plane, usually
a relative or loved one.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead says, "First of all there will appear to you, swifter than lightning, the luminous splendor of the
colorless light of Emptiness, and that will surround you on all sides. ...Try to submerge
yourself in that light, giving up all belief in a separate self, all attachment to your illusory ego." end-quote


"But at the same time, something was calling me back – someone was feeling fearful emotions.
I didn't realize that these feelings were coming from me, from my own human feelings of
attachment. But the light informed me that, in fact, the fear and the attachment to the world
were mine." -- Anna L

"some humans are so attached to their physical and material world that they are still worry
about their money, possessions. or power even after death......I got this understanding that any strong earthbound attachment can keep our
souls from soaring." -- Mohammad Z

"All of the knowledge that I had gained, along with all of the emotional energies and
attachments that I had accumulated over my life span, both positive and negative remained
with me and they kept me tied to this world." -- Steve B

"I feel that the ego gradually stretches, that the ties to this ego, with its memory, its desires, its
expectations, just naturally vanish…" -- Mathilde M

"I thought briefly of everything and everyone I was leaving behind, but had no worries, care or
attachment to them anymore. I was in total bliss and awe that I was still alive but in another
place!" -- Shannon T

"Coming back feels like a rebirth, but now everything is different. Much of what once mattered
to me now does not make sense, both, topics of interest and relationships with certain people
who were almost indispensable to me and with whom I had an attachment bond. Now I feel it
no longer makes sense to even miss such relationships or such topics. What I experienced in
the light of the cloud in the NDE is an absolute value to which everything else is worthless...
That all human suffering in life is caused by attachments. - That the main challenge that
everyone has is to take care of oneself... I maintain my relationships naturally, without
needing to attach to any loved one. I behave in a more comprehensive, serene and
compassionate way with people with whom I interact." -- Ricardo AH

I think given the evidence that we can manifest our reality with our consciousness then we
should not need to rely on any external light seen at death. After all, we are light ourselves. If
everything is energy, a continuum of frequency, and there are realms or dimensions far
beyond the white light then we should set our intentions on raising our frequency and
ascending to the highest frequency. Since frequency is a wavelength we would actually be
going within ourselves. We do not need to even take any form at all and can exist as pure
awareness or energy.

When we die we can create our own reality and can travel by thought or intent. Unfortunately,
other entities may try to usurp our Sovereignty or free will, and trick us into doing their will
and willingly give them our energy. They are nothing more than holograms that are external
projections from our own divine light that is inside us. There are entities who will pretend to
be family or angelic beings. In my opinion they should be ignored as their only purpose is to
get the soul to eventually reincarnate yet again to be a source of food. We can raise the
vibrational level of our soul which is light. Just keep increasing the vibration of your Spirit as
much as you possibly can by using your focused willful intent and you will ascend in
frequency and travel inward back to the source of that divine light in the Eternal Light Realm.
This means ignoring any distractions that try to lure you to a light, or an attractive being
whether angel or family member, etc. You will eventually arrive at what the Gnostics call the
Eternal Light Realms or the Height of Heights, the Light of Lights. This should be our Spirit's
natural, original state, but just keep increasing your Spirit's vibration or frequency until you
arrive at the Highest Frequency which may manifest as the purest Light, the Absolute Truth,
and Unconditional Love.


I would really like to hear from people about their experiences, whether they believe we are
learning and growing here through suffering, whether they believe our Spirit and God is
evolving... whether or not our Spirits are Sovereign.
My email address is waynejbush@gmail.com... that's w-a-y-n-e... the letter 'J'... b-u-s-h @
Thanks for having me on your show, Adam... I really appreciate the opportunity.

Positive thoughts and higher frequency until we get home.